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Postby J.M. Vargas on 31 Oct 2009 19:24

Zaat (1972) on TCM-HD for the first time. Saw this a long time as "Blood Waters of Dr. Z" in a 1999 "MST3K" episode but I hadn't experienced the true nature of this Z-grade creature feature until I saw the complete version (in a stunningly-clear transfer) last night. A Florida scientist turns himself into a giant walking catsfish, then goes around killing people in the Florida everglades. That's it really, yet after the movie ended I couldn't have told you who was in it or why anyone did anything of which I don't remember who was what. Not only is "Zaat" too long (100 minutes, about 99 too many) and badly shot/acted/lit/staged/EVERYTHING but confounds the mind of anyone that attempts to reason its very existence. You know a cheap horror movie is it's own black hole of suckiness when it makes you pine for the skill and craftmanship of Herschell Gordon Lewis at the helm. :o

The Great Ecstasy of Robert Carmichael (2005) on R2 DVD for the first time. A 'lost youth' British movie mixed with a heavy-handed critique of Tony Blair's support for the Iraq war (awkwardly crammed into the narrative using VO sound and/or news footage of present and past wars), "Robert Carmichael" is too chicken s*** to wallow in the depravity it alleges to depict but too graphic to avoid the label of exploitation it ends up earning. Daniel Spencer gives an OK but bland performance as the teenager who could be someone (a musician, good boyfriend, etc.) if he didn't choose to hang with the wrong crowd out of apathy at his small town existence. The whole movie leads up to a home invasion straight out of Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" but lacking in visual artistry or meaning other than the simplistic 'have-nots taking their revenge on the have's' ("High and Low" anyone?). Boring and pointless despite thinking its making a profound statement, "Robert Carmichael" is ultimately forgettable.

City Rats (2009) on R2 DVD for the first time. The lives of eight people in varying degrees of turmoil cross paths on four different stories unfolding throughout a seedy version of present-day London. Some (a mother trying to find her disappeared son) are more interesting than others (two watermelon-tossing suicidal people finding comfort in each other's misery) but they share the basic premise that, if only these folks allowed for human connection to enter their miserable lives, they'd find the strength to keep on going. The misleading cover of "City Rats" hints at a bloody action flick when it's in fact a stylish character study of desperate folks at their wit's end. Tamer Hassan and Danny Dyer (of "The Business" and "Football Factory" fame) anchor a decent cast of British actors that do the best with what director Steve Kelly and screenwriter Simon Fantauzzo gives them, which is both lacking (in depth) and too much (flashy camera work). James Lance's performance as a deaf autistic guy with sexual needs stands out.
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Postby J.M. Vargas on 01 Nov 2009 17:26

I didn't plan ahead of time what I was going to watch for Halloween until the last possible moment. And this year's winners were:

Wes Craven's Last House on the Left (1972) on MGM-HD for the first time. On first impression this makes me want to check out this year's remake (co-produced by Sean S. Cunningham and Craven) to see if they fixed the many things that left me scratching my head about the '72 version. Between the useless Keystone cops (doesn't help that one of them looks/acts like Phil Silvers), the "Home Alone"-style 'booby' traps set around the house (recycled along with 'Krug's' name for "Nightmare on Elm Street"), impossible coincidences (the bad guys' car breaking up just in front of Mari's parents' driveway... please!!!) and the giant plotholes (how did the parents leave the house and find her daughter in the lake without the criminals noticing they were gone?) it's as if Wes went overboard trying to sabotage his own movie. Luckily the rest of the flick is pretty good at making one feel icky at what they're watching (which isn't as graphic as advertised; great use of the power of suggestion) which is basically a rough-looking exploitation take on Italian 'giallo' genre elements. David Hess makes an effective hiss-worthy psychopath and his crew of scumbag pals are given just enough screen presence to appear both larger-than-life and disturbingly normal (like when they wash their blood-soaked clothes). The use of music to contrast the domesticity of Mari's parents with the depravity their daughter is experiencing (and many other excellent uses of seeminly odd songs throughout the flick) along with a twisted homage to "Sansho the Bailiff" show that Craven's directorial debut was no fluke. Picture looks like an 8mm home movie recording in HD though, which actually enhances the 'snuff' feel of the whole thing.

Deranged (1974) on MGM-HD for the first time. A more accurate (though still fictionalized) movie version of the life of Ed Gein (whose necrophilic 1950's crimes in Wisconsin became pop culture staples), the low-budget production values and amateur acting by almost everyone besides Roberts Blossoms (who is perfect as the fictitious Gein doppleganger Ezra Cobb) is overcome by great atmosphere of dread and a documentary-style depiction of the grisly lifestyle Blossoms' character engages in after his mother's death. Tom Savini's FX work and the uncredited producer input from Bob Clark ("Black Christmas") also contribute to "Deranged" feeling closer to the truth of what happened to Ed Gein than a convoluted take like Hitchcock's "Psycho" (which works on an entirely different cinematic plane). Only the use of a fictitious reporter 'on site' during Ezra's crimes backfires badly (although every time this reporter appeared out of nowhere it startled the hell out of me, so they count as 'scares' in my book :)) but as a whole "Deranged" uses its minimal resources to create a horror flick that derives most of its scares by being closer to the truth than most Ed Gein-inspired media.
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Postby Andrew Forbes on 03 Nov 2009 11:20

First two eps of Texhnolyze. Steve, you weren't kidding when you said this was insane, but I'm already into it. I obviously have no idea how it will play out yet, but it seems to me that the creators did a very smart thing in allowing the opening episodes to unfold with a minimum of dialogue and an emphasis on tone and texture. What it does is allow the audience to get a feel of the place before having to make sense of character relationships and plot points. Often, confusion comes from a viewer not understanding what kind of world characters inhabit, and by extension what dangers and possibilities exist for them to encounter. In a way, this supposedly confounding introduction to the series is more likely to clarify things when the plot begins to unfold, as the viewer has been immersed in imagery without being expected to make sense of it yet.

Did that make any sense?

Oh, and the show is beautifully dark. Casual violence abounds, but it never feels gratuitous.
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Postby Steve T Power on 03 Nov 2009 12:12

Andrew Forbes wrote:First two eps of Texhnolyze. Steve, you weren't kidding when you said this was insane, but I'm already into it. I obviously have no idea how it will play out yet, but it seems to me that the creators did a very smart thing in allowing the opening episodes to unfold with a minimum of dialogue and an emphasis on tone and texture. What it does is allow the audience to get a feel of the place before having to make sense of character relationships and plot points. Often, confusion comes from a viewer not understanding what kind of world characters inhabit, and by extension what dangers and possibilities exist for them to encounter. In a way, this supposedly confounding introduction to the series is more likely to clarify things when the plot begins to unfold, as the viewer has been immersed in imagery without being expected to make sense of it yet.

Did that make any sense?

Oh, and the show is beautifully dark. Casual violence abounds, but it never feels gratuitous.


Pretty dead on actually. The point i got to, things were "sort of" starting to come together. I've been meaning to pick up a series collection for ages.
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Postby Andrew Forbes on 03 Nov 2009 12:49

Steve T Power wrote:Pretty dead on actually. The point i got to, things were "sort of" starting to come together. I've been meaning to pick up a series collection for ages.

The term Lynchian is ridiculously over- (and mis-)used, but I think it applies to the first couple of episodes--a jumble of industrial images and soundscapes, intercut with sequences of nightmare violence. All it lacks is the Americana.
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Postby HGervais on 06 Nov 2009 13:21

The Surrogates...kind of a "B" movie with a "A-" budget. It works pretty much until the end when the Hollywood-mandated ending kicks in. It feels like the kind of film David Twohy used to make in the mid to late 1990s, which is a good thing. The movie would also make an interesting double feature with WALL*E.
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Postby molly1216 on 07 Nov 2009 18:36

finally got around to seeing Grand Torino...funny how predictable stories can still be retold in new ways and found comforting.

Caught up on S1 of Fringe, working my way through DS9 from Series one, while rewatching Doctor Who S1-S4.

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Postby Andrew Forbes on 08 Nov 2009 12:10

The Sniper. Probably my favorite Dmytryk movie. During his extremely brief featurette, Martin Scorsese, despite praising the film's "sense of place," calls the movie "flat looking," which I think is about as far off as you can get. It's certainly very naturalistic in its daytime lighting, but I found the film to be full of striking visual touches.
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Postby Andrew Forbes on 08 Nov 2009 22:00

Beau Geste (1939). Very entertaining.
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Postby Stubblecat on 09 Nov 2009 07:29

Duncan Jones' Moon. The shadow of Kubrick's 2001 hangs heavy over this production, for sure. An interesting premise about a lone man stationed on a Moon mining base who, after an accident, wakes up to find that there is a copy of himself at the base with him.
Unfortunately for the film, all the questions are all too neatly answered very quickly. I felt somewhat unsatisfied with the ending. There could have been much more to Sam Rockwell's character and the nature of years of isolation's effect on the mind. The film is definitely worth a look, but it runs out of steam quickly.
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Postby Ptolemy on 09 Nov 2009 09:10

I liked Moon more than you did. It is the smaller, (IMO) more thoughtful kind of science fiction movie - the kind you don't see much of anymore. When I've recommended it to other folks, I told them less than you did.
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Postby Future Man on 09 Nov 2009 11:02

The Box
Vaguely interesting premise but goes off in an uninteresting direction.
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Postby Steve T Power on 09 Nov 2009 16:01

G.I Joe: Resolute - Like an unabashed love letter to fans of Larry Hamma's 80's comic book incarnation of a Real American Hero, rebooted with style and class. This is everything the wretched pile of excrement that was "Rise of Cobra" should have been. I had a blast, and i hope against hope that a series is forthcoming. God bless you Warren Ellis.
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Postby cdouglas on 09 Nov 2009 18:25

Steve T Power wrote:G.I Joe: Resolute - Like an unabashed love letter to fans of Larry Hamma's 80's comic book incarnation of a Real American Hero, rebooted with style and class. This is everything the wretched pile of excrement that was "Rise of Cobra" should have been. I had a blast, and i hope against hope that a series is forthcoming. God bless you Warren Ellis.


Agree completely. This little animated flick was a blast.
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Postby Gabriel Girard on 09 Nov 2009 19:23

Steve T Power wrote:G.I Joe: Resolute - Like an unabashed love letter to fans of Larry Hamma's 80's comic book incarnation of a Real American Hero, rebooted with style and class. This is everything the wretched pile of excrement that was "Rise of Cobra" should have been. I had a blast, and i hope against hope that a series is forthcoming. God bless you Warren Ellis.


How come I didn't know about this? I love Warren Ellis.

Terminator (Blu-Ray) - My first watch in a while and my first complete Blu-Ray watch! I had a blast! - hence the avatar change.

I had to follow it up with what is probably Ah-Nuhld's most underrated flick - Last Action Hero. I never noticed that Ian McKellan was Death until this viewing.
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Postby molly1216 on 10 Nov 2009 20:37

Transformers revenge of the fallen.....what's that thing where small children have seizures when they watch videos...that's what happened to me.
oddly i liked the 1st one - this was just a lttle too much of a muchness

Accidental Husband..great cast...odd pacing...not normally a rom com type..but it's got Jeff Dean Morgan..i'd crawl over broken glass to see him clean shaven. the film can't figure out what it wants to be..harmless enough...but choosing between JDM and Mr Darcy? that's just mean.

Red Belt...what does it mean when Mamet's plots seem predictable?
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Postby Future Man on 12 Nov 2009 10:36

Up
The picture and sound were great, but the story was just too off-putting. Veered too much between fairly hard reality and dream-logic fantasy. I liked "the" scrapbook scene very much however.
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Postby Steve T Power on 12 Nov 2009 11:56

Up - If the last act had lived up to the first two, we would have Pixar's best movie by a huge margin - but everything just goes to hell in that final bit. Still, it's passable Pixar, and passable Pixar is still vastly superior to the soulless garbage coming from Dreamworks and Fox.
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Postby Dunnyman on 12 Nov 2009 13:10

Future Man wrote:Up
The picture and sound were great, but the story was just too off-putting. Veered too much between fairly hard reality and dream-logic fantasy. I liked "the" scrapbook scene very much however.

Now when I see a Pixar flick, I completely open my mind, and just accept whatever reality they give me. So his hero is still alive at the age of hundred plus? Fine by me. Enough regular balloons can lift a house (and rip it off of it's foundation)? Sure. Robot dogs flying planes? No worries. For a movie to work for me, I need to care about the characters, and sincerely desire a successful resolution to their problems, issues, whatever. Pixar delivers that in spades with every single film they've done, and this one in particular. It looked pretty impressive on the screen in 3D, but the Blu-Ray is quite simply one of the finest presentations I've ever seen. Breathtaking.
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Postby Future Man on 12 Nov 2009 13:30

Dunnyman wrote:
Future Man wrote:Up
The picture and sound were great, but the story was just too off-putting. Veered too much between fairly hard reality and dream-logic fantasy. I liked "the" scrapbook scene very much however.

Now when I see a Pixar flick, I completely open my mind, and just accept whatever reality they give me. So his hero is still alive at the age of hundred plus? Fine by me. Enough regular balloons can lift a house (and rip it off of it's foundation)? Sure. Robot dogs flying planes? No worries. For a movie to work for me, I need to care about the characters, and sincerely desire a successful resolution to their problems, issues, whatever. Pixar delivers that in spades with every single film they've done, and this one in particular. It looked pretty impressive on the screen in 3D, but the Blu-Ray is quite simply one of the finest presentations I've ever seen. Breathtaking.


I don't mind talking dogs sharing the screen with a soon to be displaced recent widower who overnight blows up enough (helium?) balloons to carry his house to another continent, but why make the dogs' ability to speak dependent on a technological advance the motivation for which is never explained, by a former hero now deemed villainous even though his stated motive--proving to the world he wasn’t a fraud after all--doesn’t seem all that diabolical? Ok if it's all a dream, not ok in my book if it's not. And it's not.
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Postby Dan Mancini on 12 Nov 2009 14:38

Future Man wrote:but why make the dogs' ability to speak dependent on a technological advance the motivation for which is never explained...

It shouldn't need to be explained. The old adventurer created devices for them to speak because he's entirely alone. He's anthropomorphizing his pets, albeit in a fantastical, cartoonish way (because it's a fantastical cartoon). This is something that lonely people do. And loneliness is a central theme of the movie.

Future Man wrote:by a former hero now deemed villainous even though his stated motive--proving to the world he wasn’t a fraud after all--doesn’t seem all that diabolical?

It's diabolical because movies need villains, but also because the old bastard is consumed by an obsession with self that has led him to choose a life of isolation and chasing a dream for the dream's sake (I mean, he's willing to kill a little kid in order to prove to the world that he was right all along -- even though the world barely remembers him anymore and couldn't care less). By contrast, Ed Asner's character learns that one's life -- whether a high adventure dream or a simple middle-class existence -- is only worth anything if it is shared with other people. The End.

What I really loved about the flick (and I'm looking forward to seeing it a second time once my Blu-ray comes) is that it's not about the plot so much as it is about the texture of the characters' lives -- their sadness, loneliness, and loss. The surreal events of the movie are just a front -- the silly, fast-paced sugar that helps that medicine go down.
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Postby Dunnyman on 12 Nov 2009 16:14

Dan Mancini wrote:What I really loved about the flick (and I'm looking forward to seeing it a second time once my Blu-ray comes) is that it's not about the plot so much as it is about the texture of the characters' lives -- their sadness, loneliness, and loss. The surreal events of the movie are just a front -- the silly, fast-paced sugar that helps that medicine go down.

Exactly. Very well said, Mr. Mancini.
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Postby Andrew Forbes on 12 Nov 2009 17:18

I had no problem with any of the concepts in Up, I just didn't think any of the narrative, humor, design or direction was very inspired. And the dogs sucked. Not because they spoke, but because they were realized in an obvious, witless way. The relationship between the man and his wife was very nice. It deserved to be the subject of a better movie.

Wall●E, on the other hand, was the balls. That sh*t had robots!
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Postby Stubblecat on 12 Nov 2009 22:12

I'm kind of glad that there has been a little criticism of the last act of Up. I know the critics have been fast to heap all sorts of praise on the film, but truth be told the whole arial 'Dog'fight and blimp confrontation didn't serve the story that well.

I truly enjoyed the film, but thought that the last 40 minutes got a little lazy with the storytelling. The film lost its momentum as soon as the dogs entered the story. It went from a very sweet rumination on love and promises to the old conflict-chase-resolution equation.

I may be unpopular for this statement but Up I think' will eventually be seen as a lesser Pixar film.

That being said, I still think it was a very good movie. One of the better films of 2009. Yes, I am full of contradictions.
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Postby HGervais on 12 Nov 2009 22:45

I just don't know how anyone can say they bought into a movie where an elderly man hooks up thousands of ballons to him home which in turns takes him to a fabled South American location up until the point when talking & flying dogs enter the picture. The movie sets up its own reality and it plays fair with it. It's equal parts sad, whimsical & fantastic and no movie I have seen this year has affected me as much as UP. Upper-tier Pixar all the way.
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Postby Steve T Power on 13 Nov 2009 04:05

HGervais wrote:I just don't know how anyone can say they bought into a movie where an elderly man hooks up thousands of ballons to him home which in turns takes him to a fabled South American location up until the point when talking & flying dogs enter the picture. The movie sets up its own reality and it plays fair with it. It's equal parts sad, whimsical & fantastic and no movie I have seen this year has affected me as much as UP. Upper-tier Pixar all the way.
Which I watched again last night and laughed at the same spots and choked up in the same spots.


It's not the flying dogs nor the talking that gets to me. It's the laziness at which they set up Muntz as the villain and the general sense of deja vu that permeates the final 20 minutes or so of the movie. It's a drastic shift in tone that doesn't hold up to the first two acts in my mind. It's Carl's willingness to protect Kevin on one hand only to scorn Dug the next, and the extremely lazy ply on the emotions that follows when Russell bails. It went from being an emotional and incredibly funny story with all the heart of past efforts, to "children's film dramatic storytelling 101" in the blink of an eye - even Muntz's turn felt arbitrary and forced to me. Like it HAD to happen because the 90 minute adventure plot demanded it. It's a convention i expect to see in other, lesser features.

Taken as a whole, the movie still smokes anything out of Dreamworks Animation or Fox, and it's definitely on my "must own on Blu-ray" list. I just feel that the last 3rd doesn't hold up to the first two. Nothing to do with suspension of disbelief or not "buying into" anything, everything to do with a slip in the quality of writing.
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Postby HGervais on 13 Nov 2009 08:36

Considering they set Muntz up to become the bad guy from the start of the movie with the newsreel footage I don't see how anyone can call the transformation lazy.The character's arrogance & hubris is right there in the newsreel footage. That we view Muntz through Carl's youthful hero worship does not mean the character is poorly written later on the movie, it just means we are already invested in the lead character's perception of Muntz. That 60+ years of isolation from human contact made Muntz a paranoid nut job isn't lazy or sloppy writing..it's a logical progression of the way the guy is presented from the start of the film. It isn't lazy writing...it's really smart writing.
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Postby hoytereden on 13 Nov 2009 12:23

I had no problem with any of it. It's a Pixar film! The same folks that gave us talking toys, a rat who cooks, cars and tractors that tip cows, a fish who speaks whale, etc. I suspend belief when I watch these types of films and enjoy the ride. Did anyone else think that Muntz resembles the elderly Kirk Douglas?
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Postby Dunnyman on 13 Nov 2009 15:28

hoytereden wrote:Did anyone else think that Muntz resembles the elderly Kirk Douglas?

Now that you mention it....hmmmm....
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Postby hoytereden on 13 Nov 2009 20:09

I'm finally wrapping up my Late Ozu boxset-Just finished Late Autumn which was an interesting re-working of his earlier Late Spring. Neat idea to have Setsuko Hara, who played the daughter in the earlier film, play the parent in this one. Starting on the final film The End of Autumn.
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Postby Steve T Power on 13 Nov 2009 22:41

HGervais wrote:Considering they set Muntz up to become the bad guy from the start of the movie with the newsreel footage I don't see how anyone can call the transformation lazy.The character's arrogance & hubris is right there in the newsreel footage. That we view Muntz through Carl's youthful hero worship does not mean the character is poorly written later on the movie, it just means we are already invested in the lead character's perception of Muntz. That 60+ years of isolation from human contact made Muntz a paranoid nut job isn't lazy or sloppy writing..it's a logical progression of the way the guy is presented from the start of the film. It isn't lazy writing...it's really smart writing.


I didn't really pick up on it that way. I just felt that the character turn was too pedestrian a move and by lazy i meant that it was done solely because this sort of film demands that it happen. I'll certainly keep an open eye toward your point of view the next time i watch the flick - and there will be a next time.
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Re: Gobble Gobble! NOVEMBER Watching Thread

Postby azul017 on 14 Nov 2009 00:11

The Fantastic Mr. Fox - The trailer didn't sway me any, but the final product left me cold. Anderson virtually jettisons the charm and humor in the original Roald Dahl book in favor of his usual eccentric, quirky characters. It felt like a betrayal of the source novel, and virtually all of the characters' voice actors pulled me out of the movie. Bill Murray, Owen Wilson and George Clooney's voices were far too recognizable, and honestly I couldn't envisage the characters with them.

The problem that Anderson failed to see, is that with animation (of any form) you should see and hear the characters themselves, and not who is voicing them. Seems like adapting Dahl's work is hard work these days -- the only films that captured the essence of his work were the live-action The Witches and Matilda (and perhaps Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to a degree).
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Postby Jon Mercer on 14 Nov 2009 19:28

Taken - Ra's Roy MacGregor kicking the s*** out of Paris for 70 minutes...yes please!
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Postby J.M. Vargas on 14 Nov 2009 20:33

Marty (1955) on MGM-HD for the first time. It's a sad commentary about Hollywood today that the most dated aspect of this 1955 Best Picture winner isn't the Brooklyn slang, mannerisms, fashions, habits and/or behavior of its characters during the weekend we get to spend with them. The focus on the plight of the common man (and woman) for normalcy in an intimate relation as he/she fears aging and loneliness feels so alien and detached from contemporary American movies that "Marty's" old fashioned simple storytelling/acting feels like a breath of fresh air 54 years later. Ernest Borgnine is both sympathetic and lovable (though a bit too old-looking) in the title role but it's a shame Betsy Blair's Clara is constantly referred to as a 'dog' (perpetuating the 'ugly' pretty girl stereotype that pop culture will simply not let go of) because, in a low-key way, she's every bit as good as Borgnine. Esther Minciotti and Augusta Ciolli are hilarious as the 'old' women contemplating their future, but the real star of "Marty" (all versions) is Paddy Chayefsky's screenplay. Chayefsky's dialogue crackles with humanity and humor (Marty's friend constantly praising the writing of Mickey Spillane as a roadmap to understanding women had me laughing out loud) for the most unlikely subject a Best Picture winner could ever focus on: someone like you or me. Picture/sound were only adequate in high-def though, barely a step-up from the DVD version.

Michael Mann's Thief (1981) on Showtime-HD Extreme for the first time. Holy crap, it's Michael Mann (with a young Jerry Bruckheimer producing) basically getting a tune-up run at "Heat" with a slant toward the criminal underworld. James Caan is excellent as Frank, a jewel thief that sells his soul to the devil (personified against type by the benign sight of David Prosky) in order to gain the legitimacy and protection from the police he needs to win the affection of Tuesday Weld's Jessie character. The scene in the cafeteria where Frank opens up to Jessie about who he really is (also reminiscent of a similar scene between DeNiro and Pacino in "Heat") might be the finest acting I've ever seen out of James Caan. The movie's threat of violence feels a lot scarier than the actual shootouts (which are plenty bloody and kinetic when the s*** detonates) and Dream Tangerine's etheral score perfectly suits Mann's slick eye for visual compositions when characters engage in their own ambiguous justice. Blink and you'll miss future Mann leading men like William Petersen ("Manhunter") and Dennis Farina ("Crime Stories") in small supporting roles. Nobody does crime capers like Michael Mann and "Thief" was a road sign of great things to come...

... of which the American remake of Breathless (1983), on MGM-HD for the first time, isn't one of them. Even if Mann bailed out of the project early (his name isn't on the credits) his early influence on the script is too obvious. The attempt to transplant Godard's original set-up to California was in desperate need of a director with an eye for slick visuals that could at least attempt to present Venice Beach as a passable visual equivalent to Champs Elysees. Instead director Jim McBride ("Great Balls of Fire") is happy to point his camera at Richard Gere and Valérie Kaprisky hoping the romantic sparks between the leads (who look good when undressed, particularly the weak-in-the-acting-department Kaprisky) will distract the audience from thinking of Jean-Paul Belmondo and Jean Seberg talking in that crammed hotel room for 20 minutes. Didn't happen, and the ending of the new "Breathless" (complete with song) feels like the cheap cop-out Godard rightfully railed against the Hollywood machine in his open-ended conclusion to the original "Breathless." I'd venture to say it's impossible for anyone that liked Godard's movie to like the '83 remake, but damn if the young Richard Gere wasn't a ripped and handsome leading man back in his prime... that last sentence was the result of Joyce brain-jacking my brain for a second, sorry! :shock:

Bernardo Bertolucci's The Last Emperor (1987) on Criterion Blu-ray for the first time. I'm going to need to watch this again because, on first viewing, Bertolucci's bio epic about the life of Pu Yi felt extremely disjointed and confusing. I have to admit that most of the characters speaking in English really threw me off for a loop (except for Peter O'Toole of course ;-)) and became such an unpleasant distraction I just couldn't get past the language barrier to enjoy "The Last Emperor." I'm so used to international movies featuring foreigners speaking in their native tongues (with English subtitles for me to follow along) that this throwback to the old Hollywood style of storytelling just became an obstacle I couldn't overcome. And I don't care what Criterion and cinematographer Vittorio Storaro say, the movie's framing feels 'OFF' at 2:00:1 (narrowed from the original 2:35:1 aspect ratio at Stotaro's request) which isn't helped by a very soft and undetailed HD remaster that makes the Blu-ray or "Last Emperor" a Pu Yi-sized baby step from the DVD version. To be continued.

Original Sin (2001) on MGM-HD. Saw the unrated DVD version of this movie back in 2002. Recently (and purely out of boredom) I rewatched it in high-def but it was the censored 'R' version which does away with 90% of the steamy sex scenes between Antonio Banderas and Angelina Jolie. This is an instance in which I believe the removal of the more erotic material actually hurt the movie's narrative, weak and predictable as it would have been regardless. You see, Banderas' character goes nuts and overacts a storm as his search for Jolie's duplicitous 'femme fatale' gets further and further along. By the time we reach the final reel Antonio is a dangerous loon possessed by grief and anger over his pursuit of the woman he lusts after. In the 'R' version you get a glimpse of the couple's sexual trists but in the unrated version (going by memory) the sex scenes were passionate and intense, clearly giving the audience a taste of the fuel that propelled Banderas to chase after Jolie past the point most persistent Casanova's would have given up. Without that 'fuel' Banderas comes across like an even bigger fool than the movie already makes him out to be. Morale of the story? Don't chase after "Original Sin" (it's not that good and a lot of good character actors are trampled by Banderas' scene-chewing) but, if you have to watch it, make sure it's the unrated version.

Take the Lead (2006) on DVD for the first time. Of the many Y2K decade movies about dancing (a mini-trend that we'll look back at in 2030 the same way we look at 80's musicals today) "Take the Lead" is among the least harmless and one with good intentions. These positives still doesn't save it from being formulaic 'feel good' junk food you struggle to remember afterwards. Antonio Banderas' Broadway skills and star power carries the many dancing scenes he's in as he teaches inner-city youths in NYC to dance their way out of a life of crime and self-destructive behavior. The mix of dancing styles (hip-hop, tango, ballroom, etc.) and OK performances by actors too old to be teenagers is a match that could never be destined for greatness, especially with director Liz Friedlander's penchant for OTT camera angles. This isn't "Moulin Rouge" Liz, dial down the pretty jib shots! As perfectly servicable motion picture fodder to waste an afternoon without having anything to show for it "Take the Lead" is just OK.
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Re: Gobble Gobble! NOVEMBER Watching Thread

Postby Andrew Forbes on 15 Nov 2009 15:06

Wagon Master. It shows off many of Ford's best and worst impulses, but in a very tolerable balance. The worst (mugging humor, Hank Worden, 50's cowboy crooning) proves little more than an occasional annoyance, while the best (striking compositions, a sense of collective dependence among the characters, cultural sensitivity) elevate the nearly-plotless movie above the average. It's certainly not my favorite Ford--that would be She Wore a Yellow Ribbon--but it's beautifully shot and entertaining throughout.
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Postby BenSaylor on 15 Nov 2009 15:30

Andrew Forbes wrote:Wagon Master. It shows off many of Ford's best and worst impulses, but in a very tolerable balance. The worst (mugging humor, Hank Worden, 50's cowboy crooning) proves little more than an occasional annoyance, while the best (striking compositions, a sense of collective dependence among the characters, cultural sensitivity) elevate the nearly-plotless movie above the average. It's certainly not my favorite Ford--that would be She Wore a Yellow Ribbon--but it's beautifully shot and entertaining throughout.


It was also nice to see Ben Johnson and Harry Carey Jr. in lead roles, Johnson especially, whose character in She Wore a Yellow Ribbon is one of my favorite elements of that film.
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Postby HGervais on 15 Nov 2009 22:03

A Matter of Life & Death....remarkable Powell & Pressburger film with David Niven, Kim Hunter & Raymond Massey. Everything from the composition of the shots to the technicolor drenched earth-bound sequences mirrored by the monochromatic sequences of heaven to the wonderfully literate & emotional screenplay to the performances...it all worked. A truly great film. Would be a great double feature with Albert Brooks' Defending Your Life or even The Wizard of Oz.
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Postby HGervais on 15 Nov 2009 23:57

Doctor Who: The Waters of Mars....easily the strongest of the post-series 4 specials by a wide margin. The first half plays almost as a greatest hits of the RTD run, and that is not a bad thing but that final half goes super dark and asks some serious questions about the role of The Doctor and why the companions serve the purpose they do. I am ready for the final two and really hope that RTD does not choke on them. Let me just say this, this is the best Tennant has ever been in the role.
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Postby Gabriel Girard on 17 Nov 2009 08:41

Terminator 2 : Judgment Day - On Blu-Ray. 18 years later this is still awesome, I don't even mind Furlong anymore. The Blu-Ray looks great even on my HD computer screen.

Single White Female - Trashy but fun. The begin is nice but that ending, ugh. And how quickly can one turn psycho?
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Postby Dunnyman on 17 Nov 2009 17:58

Found Inglorious Basterds at the cheapie theater, and is the film supposed to look sort of grainy and rough, or did they just have a mangled print? Otherwise, just what I wanted, insanely over the top violence, some great lines, and 90-odd minutes of pure chaos. When Tarantino's on, he's ON.
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Postby HGervais on 17 Nov 2009 20:44

Star Trek....speaking as a lifelong Trekker blah blah blah....I'm amazed all over again at just how right the Bad Robot crew got everything. And I had forgotten how funny the movie is. And how much the bridge looks like an Apple store. So yeah, Trek lives. Second star to the left and straight on 'till morning.
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Postby hoytereden on 18 Nov 2009 11:36

HGervais wrote:A Matter of Life & Death....remarkable Powell & Pressburger film with David Niven, Kim Hunter & Raymond Massey. Everything from the composition of the shots to the technicolor drenched earth-bound sequences mirrored by the monochromatic sequences of heaven to the wonderfully literate & emotional screenplay to the performances...it all worked. A truly great film. Would be a great double feature with Albert Brooks' Defending Your Life or even The Wizard of Oz.


I'd double feature it with either A Guy Named Joe (still not out on DVD :( ) or Here Comes Mr. Jordan.

Watched the new Star Trek and for the most part-"Well done!" I did get a bit turned around with the young/old Spock and the time travel bit. The constant lens flares were also distracting to the point I just wanted them to STOP! Other than those quibbles I'm looking forward to the next chapter. :)
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Postby HGervais on 22 Nov 2009 22:36

Doctor Who: "The Invisible Enemy".....it's the one which introduces K-9 and where the monster is a guy in a giant prawn costume. Like a lot of Who from that era if you can get past the absurdly low production values you find some interesting concepts & writing lurking underneath. Baker hasn't gotten too bored yet and Louise Jameson looks especially yummy.
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Postby Future Man on 23 Nov 2009 07:48

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IMO the best disaster effects of the CGI era. Overstays its welcome by about 20 minutes or one too many perils.
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Postby Gabriel Girard on 23 Nov 2009 20:04

Terminator 3 : Rise Of The Machines - Or why this movie hurt my soul... So many in-jokes it's not even funny. "Talk to the hand" ? The great thing about the first two films is that the action services the plot; in this one the actions scenes are the main thing and the "story" is barebones. There was some interesting stuff though like.... Spoilers The revelation that the T-101 will kill John Connor or the fact that Connor was meant to survive; not to stop doomsday. The action scenes were cool though if a little too OTT even for a Terminator flick.

Trick 'r Treat - Fun times! It reminded me of the first Creepshow, which is a good thing.
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Postby Future Man on 24 Nov 2009 06:43

Take Aim at the Police Van from the Nikkatsu Noir set.
Pretty peppy last 20 minutes or so but overall I found this hard to follow and sort of uninvolving. The PQ is stellar however.
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Postby molly1216 on 24 Nov 2009 11:43

Mother Riley Meets the Vampire (1952)...which is under the US title My Son, the Vampire on Netflix..
which i recommend watching for exactly 2.5 minutes. Part of the Mother Riley series from Britain.
for the most part it resembles what we would label saturday afternoon tv...it doesn't really hold up well at all.
HOWEVER for the US release it has an Alan Sherman song over the titles which is well worth hearing.
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Postby Steve T Power on 24 Nov 2009 12:04

State of Play - Second go around. I love this movie. I love the commentary on modern journalism that manages to be poignant in the face of what is essentially a by the numbers political conspiracy thriller. I also think Crowe, Affleck, McAdams, and Mirren do some awesome work here.
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Postby Gabriel Girard on 24 Nov 2009 19:10

Steve T Power wrote:State of Play - Second go around. I love this movie. I love the commentary on modern journalism that manages to be poignant in the face of what is essentially a by the numbers political conspiracy thriller. I also think Crowe, Affleck, McAdams, and Mirren do some awesome work here.


Agree 100% - I hope it gets popular on DVD, it deserves a bigger audience.
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Postby hoytereden on 24 Nov 2009 20:27

Wagonmaster-It's always been a favorite western of mine and at long last is out on DVD. The commentary track featuring Carey Jr. is icing on the cake. :D
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