Race to the White House

[Dunnyman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... looms.html
Wow, another easily disproven lie for Palin. Pathological almost, I'd say. Does this woman know what the truth is?
And yes, Future, we know Bill had sex then lied about it, but unless he's currently running for VP, it isn't the slightest bit relevant to the topic at hand, which is Palin's inability to tell the truth.

[Future Man]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1066426/Sarah-Palin-blunders-talks-British-ambassador-took-place-TV-debate-looms.html
Wow, another easily disproven lie for Palin. Pathological almost, I'd say. Does this woman know what the truth is?
And yes, Future, we know Bill had sex then lied about it, but unless he's currently running for VP, it isn't the slightest bit relevant to the topic at hand, which is Palin's inability to tell the truth.

I see you're not reading your own articles again Dunny. Either that or you assume no else will. This is beccoming embarrassing.

[TemporalWisdom]

I see you're not reading your own articles again Dunny. Either that or you assume no else will. This is becoming embarrassing.

I don't see where he's misinterpreting the article. Palin lied about having talks with this ambassador. What am I missing?

Watching the debate. Biden's doing a good job staying on message, championing Obama and attacking McCain.

[HGervais]

Kathleen Parker was right, if bs were dollars, Palin could bail out the US economy on her own. Gosh, darn & gee whiz you aren't saying anything Sarah. Biden's talking facts & policies....Palin...not so much. And I think she is starting to get rattled.

[Future Man]

Both doing fine so far. On to foreign policy...

[HGervais]

It's odd....Biden looks like his mind is moving faster than his mouth and he jumbles over stuff & fumbles this & that point while Palin comes off just the opposite. Slow & deliberate while trying to work in all the talking points. Neither are very quick on their feet. The smart, slightly pompous guy or Carol Brady? I don't know.

[Gobear]

Biden ate Palin alive on the facts, because it was painfully clear that she was just reciting the talking points that were drilled into her head--"Oh, and I want to talk about Afghanistan", as if she just remembered another thing the McCain camp had told her to mention.

On the other hand, she had the "I'm just a real American just like all of you" pose well in hand, and that goes over well with the people who base their opinions on warm fuzzies instead of facts.

Palin: More likable
Biden: More intelligent, better informed, and more vice-presidential

[HGervais]

Well, so much for the big, bad biased Gwen Ifill bashing the governor from Alaska. Does anyone really buy the whole hockey mom thing? Okay, let me re-phrase that....does anyone really think the hockey mom is a good idea as vice-president slash possible president? Sure she spent more time on message but a lot of it came off as canned and almost Stepford sounding. Am I wrong to think substance matters? Anyway, Biden started slow but I think he got better as he went along....still came off as professorial. I think Palin stopped the drag she was causing the ticket but you have to think we won't see her doing any event that involve her answering direct questions. Could she really be the first VP nominee and never hold a press conference? Anyway, as is often the case with VP debates, it was sort of a wash. Bring on the big boys come Tuesday night.

[Dunnyman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1066426/Sarah-Palin-blunders-talks-British-ambassador-took-place-TV-debate-looms.html
Wow, another easily disproven lie for Palin. Pathological almost, I'd say. Does this woman know what the truth is?
And yes, Future, we know Bill had sex then lied about it, but unless he's currently running for VP, it isn't the slightest bit relevant to the topic at hand, which is Palin's inability to tell the truth.

I see you're not reading your own articles again Dunny. Either that or you assume no else will. This is beccoming embarrassing.

No, not really, I present you with facts, you ignore them and go off on some tangent that means nothing or you do the ol' stall with something like this. She LIED. Got that? She said she had talks with this person, this person said no talks ever happened. You cannot refute this. She has told many other LIES, which have been proven time and again. You cannot refute that. Can you just admit the woman has issues with the truth? This is not about Biden making a mistake, or Bill having lied about getting some tail, this is about Sarah Palin lying time and again. Deal with the issue, will you? If anybody ought to be embarrassed, it's you, for constantly championing a senile flip-flopper and a lying witch, and previously championing Chimpy McCokespoon for the last 8. Have you no sense of shame, sir?

[Future Man]

Well, so much for the big, bad biased Gwen Ifill bashing the governor from Alaska. Does anyone really buy the whole hockey mom thing? Okay, let me re-phrase that....does anyone really think the hockey mom is a good idea as vice-president slash possible president? Sure she spent more time on message but a lot of it came off as canned and almost Stepford sounding. Am I wrong to think substance matters? Anyway, Biden started slow but I think he got better as he went along....still came off as professorial. I think Palin stopped the drag she was causing the ticket but you have to think we won't see her doing any event that involve her answering direct questions. Could she really be the first VP nominee and never hold a press conference? Anyway, as is often the case with VP debates, it was sort of a wash. Bring on the big boys come Tuesday night.

Truman was formerly a haberdasher and never even attended college. Just sayin'.

[Future Man]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1066426/Sarah-Palin-blunders-talks-British-ambassador-took-place-TV-debate-looms.html
Wow, another easily disproven lie for Palin. Pathological almost, I'd say. Does this woman know what the truth is?
And yes, Future, we know Bill had sex then lied about it, but unless he's currently running for VP, it isn't the slightest bit relevant to the topic at hand, which is Palin's inability to tell the truth.

I see you're not reading your own articles again Dunny. Either that or you assume no else will. This is beccoming embarrassing.

No, not really, I present you with facts, you ignore them and go off on some tangent that means nothing or you do the ol' stall with something like this. She LIED. Got that? She said she had talks with this person, this person said no talks ever happened. You cannot refute this. She has told many other LIES, which have been proven time and again. You cannot refute that. Can you just admit the woman has issues with the truth? This is not about Biden making a mistake, or Bill having lied about getting some tail, this is about Sarah Palin lying time and again. Deal with the issue, will you? If anybody ought to be embarrassed, it's you, for constantly championing a senile flip-flopper and a lying witch, and previously championing Chimpy McCokespoon for the last 8. Have you no sense of shame, sir?

Tell me where it says she lied, as opposed to her aides' not realizing that one of the listed attendee had not shown up at the event.

[HGervais]

Truman was formerly a haberdasher and never even attended college. Just sayin'.

Are you really trying to compare Truman to Palin? I mean really? Are you saying Truman was a vacuous & vapid politician who refused to think for himself and was unwilling to sell a single policy initiative or provable fact? I mean, what are going for here? Last time I checked Barack Obama & Bill Clinton both came from humble backgrounds. Last time I checked Joe Biden was hardly rich himself and came from humble middle class backgrounds. Did their homespun background prevent them from being able to talk about the issues like they knew what they were talking about? I mean Bush at least does the folksy thing pretty well....with Palin I just kept thinking she was pushing it too far by half.
Look...she did what she had to do. She reversed a lot of the negative drag she had imposed on the ticket recently and on that basis alone, she was successful. Neither hurt their ticket but I do think Biden helped humanize himself a little more to the public and appeared more presidential to me. Others mileage may vary.
Oh and I loved how Palin kept referring to herself & her family as middle class when she & her husband are actually worth about 1.2 million.

[TemporalWisdom]

Oh and I loved how Palin kept referring to herself & her family as middle class when she & her husband are actually worth about 1.2 million.

Plus per diem for who knows how many days.

I thought she came across smug. She'd make a point, and her face would say, "Ha ha, I've just proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm right!" The folksiness, the populism (Kathleen Parker was saying populism is a good thing, but it didn't do much for Edwards), the smile...I kept hearing, "I'm a regular gal! Look how regular I am! I'm so regular! I chug Metamucil by the gallon!"

Just my personal reaction. We'll see what the polls say over the next couple days.

[Dunnyman]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1066426/Sarah-Palin-blunders-talks-British-ambassador-took-place-TV-debate-looms.html
Wow, another easily disproven lie for Palin. Pathological almost, I'd say. Does this woman know what the truth is?
And yes, Future, we know Bill had sex then lied about it, but unless he's currently running for VP, it isn't the slightest bit relevant to the topic at hand, which is Palin's inability to tell the truth.

I see you're not reading your own articles again Dunny. Either that or you assume no else will. This is beccoming embarrassing.

No, not really, I present you with facts, you ignore them and go off on some tangent that means nothing or you do the ol' stall with something like this. She LIED. Got that? She said she had talks with this person, this person said no talks ever happened. You cannot refute this. She has told many other LIES, which have been proven time and again. You cannot refute that. Can you just admit the woman has issues with the truth? This is not about Biden making a mistake, or Bill having lied about getting some tail, this is about Sarah Palin lying time and again. Deal with the issue, will you? If anybody ought to be embarrassed, it's you, for constantly championing a senile flip-flopper and a lying witch, and previously championing Chimpy McCokespoon for the last 8. Have you no sense of shame, sir?

Tell me where it says she lied, as opposed to her aides' not realizing that one of the listed attendee had not shown up at the event.

SHE said she met the guy, when she did NOT. That is a LIE. This isn't a mistake in saying so and so was at a party when they didn't really make it, she said she had talks with the guy when she had never met him. Don't blame her aides for this, she was trying to bolster her non-existent foreign policy credentials, some aide looked this up and said "Hey the British Ambassador was at that party you were at" and then she fabricated a story about having "talks" with the guy. That's not a misstatement, or a mistake that's called a LIE. She intentionally fabricated having met the guy on the basis that he was at the same party.
It's also incredibly f**in stupid.

[Dunnyman]

Well, so much for the big, bad biased Gwen Ifill bashing the governor from Alaska. Does anyone really buy the whole hockey mom thing? Okay, let me re-phrase that....does anyone really think the hockey mom is a good idea as vice-president slash possible president? Sure she spent more time on message but a lot of it came off as canned and almost Stepford sounding. Am I wrong to think substance matters? Anyway, Biden started slow but I think he got better as he went along....still came off as professorial. I think Palin stopped the drag she was causing the ticket but you have to think we won't see her doing any event that involve her answering direct questions. Could she really be the first VP nominee and never hold a press conference? Anyway, as is often the case with VP debates, it was sort of a wash. Bring on the big boys come Tuesday night.

Truman was formerly a haberdasher and never even attended college. Just sayin'.

Oh, and you're wrong about this, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
See the part where he attended law school?
"Truman was the only president who served after 1897 not to earn a college degree: poor eyesight prevented him from applying to West Point, his childhood dream, and financial constraints prevented him from securing a degree elsewhere.[9] He did, however, study for two years toward a law degree at the Kansas City Law School (now the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law) in the early 1920s."

[Ptolemy]

She played to her base. They'll have loved it. Me? I hate the word 'nuke you lar' - so I'm unimpressed.

She lives to fight another day.

[Future Man]

Well, so much for the big, bad biased Gwen Ifill bashing the governor from Alaska. Does anyone really buy the whole hockey mom thing? Okay, let me re-phrase that....does anyone really think the hockey mom is a good idea as vice-president slash possible president? Sure she spent more time on message but a lot of it came off as canned and almost Stepford sounding. Am I wrong to think substance matters? Anyway, Biden started slow but I think he got better as he went along....still came off as professorial. I think Palin stopped the drag she was causing the ticket but you have to think we won't see her doing any event that involve her answering direct questions. Could she really be the first VP nominee and never hold a press conference? Anyway, as is often the case with VP debates, it was sort of a wash. Bring on the big boys come Tuesday night.

Truman was formerly a haberdasher and never even attended college. Just sayin'.

Oh, and you're wrong about this, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
See the part where he attended law school?
"Truman was the only president who served after 1897 not to earn a college degree: poor eyesight prevented him from applying to West Point, his childhood dream, and financial constraints prevented him from securing a degree elsewhere.[9] He did, however, study for two years toward a law degree at the Kansas City Law School (now the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law) in the early 1920s."

Conceded. But he never got a college degree, which is what I was basically saying in the vernacular.

And would you please read your own article carefully this time? Where does it say SHE said that?

[Belmondo]

She played to her base. They'll have loved it. Me? I hate the word 'nuke you lar' - so I'm unimpressed.

She lives to fight another day.

Yes, and it is further proof of the dumbing down of our culture. Palin stumbled so badly in the last couple of weeks that all she had to do was memorize enough sound bites to make it appear that she belonged on the same stage as Biden.
Maybe it is time to start doing what talk radio has always done, which is to blame the media for everything. I think that even the so-called liberal media played into her hands by setting the bar so low that Palin was able to easily jump over it by essentially ignoring Gwen Ifill's questions and "talking directly to the American people". It's not substantive, but it worked well enough to satisfy everyone who might have voted against McCain because they felt Palin was either dumb or dumberer.
She is not dumb, but she is not ready for VP either. Biden won the debate on points so completely that talking about it is unnecessary, and the media can continue to discuss bullshit issues as she "exceeds expectations" while our economy, foreign policy, and entire future place in the world is at risk.
Palin's presence on that stage was a result of McCain's campaign of making spur of the moment decisions designed to change the subject. Risky business and I've had enough.
Obama and Biden are deliberative and thoughtful at a time when deep thinking is what the country seems to be lacking.
Palin did exceed expectations and my hat is off to her. Since tipping our hat to women is now sexist, let me also open the door of the taxi taking her to the airport and back to someplace where she can see the Russkies from her window.

[Dunnyman]

Truman was formerly a haberdasher and never even attended college. Just sayin'.

Oh, and you're wrong about this, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
See the part where he attended law school?
"Truman was the only president who served after 1897 not to earn a college degree: poor eyesight prevented him from applying to West Point, his childhood dream, and financial constraints prevented him from securing a degree elsewhere.[9] He did, however, study for two years toward a law degree at the Kansas City Law School (now the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law) in the early 1920s."

Conceded. But he never got a college degree, which is what I was basically saying in the vernacular.

And would you please read your own article carefully this time? Where does it say SHE said that?

For God's sake, she's already apologized, the British Embassy called her to tell them she was wrong. Do you think they just made that up? It's ALL OVER the media.
And NO, you did not say Truman never got a degree, you're saying he never even attended college. That is wrong. A less charitable person might say it was a LIE, because it clearly was not even remotely true. Apparently you and Palin both have issues with the truth. Why don't you run for office? You can tell lies and distort the truth with the best of the Repubs, you won't think for yourself, and you'd blindly follow the party line no matter how incredibly insane it might be. You could go far. Crimeny, with zero foreign policy experience, and never having travelled to Europe, you could make up a resume as good as Palin's non-existent one!

[TemporalWisdom]

Take it easy, Greg. I know he's got problems, but let's keep the tone as pleasant as possible.

[Ptolemy]

I confess I didn't watch the whole debate but what I did see was her using her words to distance herself from Bush, but in every other way she was trying to imitate him. Pretty clever.

[Future Man]

Truman was formerly a haberdasher and never even attended college. Just sayin'.

Oh, and you're wrong about this, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
See the part where he attended law school?
"Truman was the only president who served after 1897 not to earn a college degree: poor eyesight prevented him from applying to West Point, his childhood dream, and financial constraints prevented him from securing a degree elsewhere.[9] He did, however, study for two years toward a law degree at the Kansas City Law School (now the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law) in the early 1920s."

Conceded. But he never got a college degree, which is what I was basically saying in the vernacular.

And would you please read your own article carefully this time? Where does it say SHE said that?

For God's sake, she's already apologized, the British Embassy called her to tell them she was wrong. Do you think they just made that up? It's ALL OVER the media.
And NO, you did not say Truman never got a degree, you're saying he never even attended college. That is wrong. A less charitable person might say it was a LIE, because it clearly was not even remotely true. Apparently you and Palin both have issues with the truth. Why don't you run for office? You can tell lies and distort the truth with the best of the Repubs, you won't think for yourself, and you'd blindly follow the party line no matter how incredibly insane it might be. You could go far. Crimeny, with zero foreign policy experience, and never having travelled to Europe, you could make up a resume as good as Palin's non-existent one!

That was quite a whopper of mine! Imagine my shame. Let's try, he never even got a college degree. Unlike Palin.

As to your Palin non-story:
"In an answer to questions about her foreign policy experience..., HER AIDES listed numerous contacts with foreign officials - including Britain's ambassador to Washington, Sir Nigel Sheinwald."
(emphasis mine)

[Dunnyman]

Let's see, McCain gives up on Michigan, Palin decides not to?
Ever hear of this thing called unity? You've already disagreed with McCain on a number of issues, do you think you're calling the shots here Palin?
http://www.kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... v=HMO6HMaY

[Gobear]

That was quite a whopper of mine! Imagine my shame. Let's try, he never even got a college degree. Unlike Palin.

An undergrad degree in Sports Journalism, and no graduate work at all. Still one has to perversely admire her--she's not very bright and lacks a lot of knowledge and experience in economics, national security, and foreign policy, yet she is now a candidate for vice-president, and conceivably could be our first woman president. She is the embodiment of Forrest Gump's uniquely American optimism.

Only in America.

[TemporalWisdom]

Remarkable. McCain plans fiercer strategy against Obama. I suppose we can reserve judgment until we see exactly what "fiercer" means, but if there were any election year in which negative campaigning would go over like a lead salami, this is the year.

Yesterday on a plane my dad sat next to an Alaskan lobbyist who, when Palin was running for Governor, represented a coalition that wanted to set up some pipeline or other. They backed her with the promise she'd give them the contract. She gave it to someone else once in office. Word is the Alaskan people aren't happy with the things they've been learning about Palin, and she's taking a nosedive in popularity. I've been hearing speculation that Palin might lose this year, only to come back as a candidate for President in 2012, but that's not likely if she goes down in flames in Alaska.

In other news, I heard about a guy who has a bet that Obama will win with at least 300 electoral votes. Starting to look like a good bet -- I think I'll see if I can get any takers.

[Future Man]

I noticed another radical filmmaker (this time Stone) is releasing another anti-Bush movie (this time W) before the election in another obvious attempt to sway the outcome to the filmmaker's liking. Here's to hoping it leads to the same ironic result as the last time this was tried.

[TemporalWisdom]

I noticed another radical filmmaker (this time Stone) is releasing another anti-Bush movie (this time W) before the election in another obvious attempt to sway the outcome to the filmmaker's liking. Here's to hoping it leads to the same ironic result as the last time this was tried.

It's supposedly an anti-Bush movie, not an anti-McCain movie. It's true that Obama benefits from anti-Bush sentiment, but nobody who's put up with actually living through the current administration is going to suddenly hate Bush because of a movie. Don't be paranoid.

[Future Man]

I'm glad it's coming out when it is. Every little bit helps in this game of inches.

[HGervais]

I'm glad it's coming out when it is. Every little bit helps in this game of inches.

So a movie about about the president who has a 73% negative rating and isn't even on the ballot helps McCain? You think McCain benefits from a sympathy vote because of Stone's W film? Really? Man your crowd really is nervous.

[HGervais]

Post VP debate polls show the surge for Obama/Biden growing. Pollster.com shows it, 49.9% Obama and 42.5% for McCain. Is it any wonder McCain/Palin are stepping up personal attacks?

[Parklife]

Personal attacks will start coming from both sides... in fact, they already are in full swing today... Ayers.. Keating Five... come on, it's becoming a joke. The only talk about the economy is about how shitty it is and how both will make it a priority... of course it's going to be a priority, it'll be in the shitter the day one of them gets into office.

Obama's been told to attack back at McCain, get on the offensive and he's just doing what his party has been asking him for months... McCain is grasping at straws as he tumbles in the polls...

No one is talking about policy in the face of disaster.

[HGervais]

No one is talking about policy in the face of disaster.

Except that really isn't true. The swing in the polls these past two weeks occured when the subject turned to the economy and the policies of the two candidates. Since one candidate's policies are a continuation of the current administration's and one candidate's isn't, we started to see the latter candidate break away from the former. It is in Obama's best interest to keep talking about policy....economic & healthcare policy...because that is the source of his strength. McCain's only option, as admittted by several aides over the weekend, is the exact opposite and that is try to change the subject away from policy and to try and chip away at Obama's past & character with attack ads & speeches. Which isn't to say Obama isn't running negative ads or criticizing McCain but you don't see Obama out there saying McCain is running with terrorists or that McCain sees a different America than everyone else. And if you have, I would love to see those speeches or ads. The "real" John McCain that you & I thought was there is gone and in his place is a guy who is willing to trash his reputation....to do or say anything to win. The concept of honor that John McCain has worked his entire career to build has been tossed out the window in the name of blind ambition and the quest for power.

[Future Man]

Obama will get Acorn in there to help sort this all out.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDZiMjkwMDczZWI5ODdjOWYxZTIzZGIyNzEyMjE0ODI=

[Parklife]

No one is talking about policy in the face of disaster.

Except that really isn't true.

I still think it's kind of true... though I will admit to reading some things Obama has said about Policy this afternoon but I'm not thrilled with what I read (we need another stimulus package, let's extend unemployment benefits). It seems they talk about the economy only to point out how bad it is at this point... which we already know. McCain's attempt to not talk about the economy is certainly backfiring and he's going to be forced to do so now. And Obama's infomertial on The Keating Five is just what I don't want to start seeing right now.

Frankly, I think I'm just fed up at this point... perhaps a 20-month election cycle is just too fricken long...

[HGervais]

So, things really are getting personal & ugly. McCain at a rally today asking the crowd, "who is the real Barack Obama?" The response from the crowd, "terrorist" and McCain keeps going along. Palin is at a rally today and beings up a New York Times piece which looked into the relationship between Obama & radical Bill Ayers, a Times piece that discovered very little there....which echoed a Wall Street Journal piece from a couple of weeks ago that also found very little to report, and as she is misrepresenting the piece, someone in the crowd screams out "Kill him!" Nothing from Palin in response. Rough stuff indeed. Is this really where any of us want the campaign to go? I mean does anyone here really think Obama is some radical looking to destroy the US or some kind of terrorist? I mean really? Isn't it time to stop accepting fear & distrust?

[TemporalWisdom]

So, things really are getting personal & ugly. McCain at a rally today asking the crowd, "who is the real Barack Obama?" The response from the crowd, "terrorist" and McCain keeps going along. Palin is at a rally today and beings up a New York Times piece which looked into the relationship between Obama & radical Bill Ayers, a Times piece that discovered very little there....which echoed a Wall Street Journal piece from a couple of weeks ago that also found very little to report, and as she is misrepresenting the piece, someone in the crowd screams out "Kill him!" Nothing from Palin in response. Rough stuff indeed. Is this really where any of us want the campaign to go? I mean does anyone here really think Obama is some radical looking to destroy the US or some kind of terrorist? I mean really? Isn't it time to stop accepting fear & distrust?

In one sense it's actually good news that the economy is doing so terribly. As long as the focus is on the economy, I don't think McCain has a real way to win. This "character" and "values" stuff is pretty low on the list of priorities right now, much as in 1932.

[Dunnyman]

So, things really are getting personal & ugly. McCain at a rally today asking the crowd, "who is the real Barack Obama?" The response from the crowd, "terrorist" and McCain keeps going along. Palin is at a rally today and beings up a New York Times piece which looked into the relationship between Obama & radical Bill Ayers, a Times piece that discovered very little there....which echoed a Wall Street Journal piece from a couple of weeks ago that also found very little to report, and as she is misrepresenting the piece, someone in the crowd screams out "Kill him!" Nothing from Palin in response. Rough stuff indeed. Is this really where any of us want the campaign to go? I mean does anyone here really think Obama is some radical looking to destroy the US or some kind of terrorist? I mean really? Isn't it time to stop accepting fear & distrust?

Isn't it time a 527 did an ad about "Secessionist" Sarah Palin? She's addressed them, made them a nice video, and been to their goddamned convention and her hubby was a card carrying member of the AIP, if she wants to stir some sh*t, she better be ready.

[TemporalWisdom]

Isn't it time a 527 did an ad about "Secessionist" Sarah Palin? She's addressed them, made them a nice video, and been to their goddamned convention and her hubby was a card carrying member of the AIP, if she wants to stir some sh*t, she better be ready.

Well, why don't you do it? Splice something together and post it on Youtube. It might never gain traction, but who knows?

[Future Man]

Whatever works and is true, go for it I say. The candidates should be in it to win it and if something isn't working they should try something else.

[Gobear]

Whatever works and is true, go for it I say. The candidates should be in it to win it and if something isn't working they should try something else.

"Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."

As I've said, not every Republican voter is a white supremacist, but every white supremacist supports the GOP, a demographic that the RNC deliberately courts. We're not talking about a few isolated kooks, but explicit hate-mongering by the Vice-Presidential candidate. Palin and McCain's purposeful fanning of racist hate among their supporters is going to get Obama killed.

[HGervais]

As I've said, not every Republican voter is a white supremacist, but every white supremacist supports the GOP, a demographic that the RNC deliberately courts. We're not talking about a few isolated kooks, but explicit hate-mongering by the Vice-Presidential candidate. Palin and McCain's purposeful fanning of racist hate among their supporters is going to get Obama killed.

Hey man....whatever works. McCain/Palin have moved from cynical & craven to just plain dangerous...it's just politics doesn't cut it. There are some places that people who claim to be decent Christians aren't supposed to go and we have crossed well into that territory. Anyone still think the "real" John McCain is in there lurking just waiting for a win to spring out?

[Future Man]

Hopefully McCain is at last learning the lessons of the failed Bob Dole campaign. Republicans have to take every truthful advantage to overcome the Dems' automatic advantage supplied by the mainstream media.

[Dunnyman]

Hopefully McCain is at last learning the lessons of the failed Bob Dole campaign. Republicans have to take every truthful advantage to overcome the Dems' automatic advantage supplied by the mainstream media.

Oh no....I...just can't....no, I gotta...are you STILL trying to use that bullsh*t "liberal media" crap? Even though it's been disproved by Harold, GoBear, myself and, uh, I dunno, the entire world? Mike, STOP listening to Rush, Hannity and the rest of the idiots, think for yourself. Yes, they're frothing at the mouth because their boy is looking like a freaking moron, but that's because he is one, not a liberal bias in the media making him out to be one.

[Gobear]

Hopefully McCain is at last learning the lessons of the failed Bob Dole campaign. Republicans have to take every truthful advantage to overcome the Dems' automatic advantage supplied by the mainstream media.

Check it out. Dustin Hoffman, 'Rain Man,' look retarded, act retarded, not retarded. Count toothpicks to your cards. Autistic, sure. Not retarded. You know Tom Hanks, 'Forrest Gump.' Slow, yes. Retarded, maybe. Braces on his legs. But he charmed the pants off Nixon and won a ping-pong competition. That ain't retarded. Then there was Sean Penn in ‘I Am Sam.’ He went full retard. Left the Oscars empty-handed. You went full retard, man. Never go full retard.

[HGervais]

Hopefully McCain is at last learning the lessons of the failed Bob Dole campaign. Republicans have to take every truthful advantage to overcome the Dems' automatic advantage supplied by the mainstream media.

Man is there any group of Americans you guys aren't afraid/distrustful of? McCain had the mainstream media in his pocket up until the point he started lying with almost every ad, picking a person as VP that is barely qualified to be a sports journalist and started imploding at almost every turn. If ever there was a candidate who was the darling of the press corps, it was John McCain. Mike don't blame the media for finally seeing a sham where there clearly is one and for actually doing their jobs and reporting it. There are truthful points to be made about Barack Obama that McCain could have used and a couple of months ago the media would have been happy to go along but that train has left the station and McCain has no one but himself to blame. Republicans have no one but themselves to blame. Guys like you who have accepted all this crap as just part of the game have no one but themselves to blame. Don't try and throw it on the media, just look in the mirror.

[TemporalWisdom]

Guys, he's a troll. I would bet 50 bucks (a lot of money for me) he posted that bullshit response just to get a rise out of you.

[Gobear]

Guys, he's a troll. I would bet 50 bucks (a lot of money for me) he posted that bullshit response just to get a rise out of you.

You'd think so, but my neo-con sister ahs been sending me the most vituperative e-mails about Obama being the next Hitler and how Christians will have to hide because OBama (being a secret Muslim) is going to make their religion illegal.

FM may well be a troll, but his posts sound enough like full-on right-wing crazy to be real.

[Future Man]

Oh I'm a troll now? You just want this thread to be all about 3-4 guys slapping each other on the backs about how well their candidate is doing at the moment ?

[Gobear]

Oh I'm a troll now? You just want this thread to be all about 3-4 guys slapping each other on the backs about how well their candidate is doing at the moment ?

Dude, we don;t mock you becasue you are conservative; we mock you because you post uninformed crap and continue to do so despite having your posts contradicted by the facts. If you want to vote for McCain, that's up to you, but stop trying to justify your political choices with wholly fictional nonsense.

[Gobear]

Tugg Speedman: In a weird way I had to sort of just free myself up to believe that is was ok to be stupid or dumb.
Kirk Lazarus: To be a moron.
Tugg Speedman: Yeah!
Kirk Lazarus: To be moronical.
Tugg Speedman: Exactly, to be a moron.
Kirk Lazarus: An imbecile.
Tugg Speedman: Yeah!
Kirk Lazarus: Like the dumbest mother f--- that ever lived.