J.M. Vargas wrote:Surprised "Blue Valentine" came out of nowhere to have a Best Actress nomination for Michelle Williams. "Winter's Bone" also got some unexpected Academy love considering how long ago the movie came out. Also "The Illusionist" being nominated along with "Toy Story 3" and "...Train Your Dragon" for Best Animated Feature shows there are a lot of Tati fans in the Academy (I was sure "Tangled" or some more popular CG flick would get the nod). Other than that looks like it's "The King's Speech" race to lose.
Andrew Forbes wrote:Inception getting a Best Picture nom and Nolan being snubbed for direction makes about as much sense as the average Barlowe post.
Steve T Power wrote:Andrew Forbes wrote:Inception getting a Best Picture nom and Nolan being snubbed for direction makes about as much sense as the average Barlowe post.
The "real" best picture list looks more like this:
The King's Speech
The Social Network
Black Swan
The Kids Are All Right
Winter's Bone
you could also swap out Black Swan for 127 Hours if you're feelin' it.
Andrew Forbes wrote:Inception getting a Best Picture nom and Nolan being snubbed for direction makes about as much sense as the average Barlowe post.
HGervais wrote:Because even though it was well mounted & performed Shutter Island really wasn't all that good? I mean it really didn't take long to figure out the movie's angle and the ending came as a zero shock. I'm pre-disposed to love almost anything Scorsese makes but the movie was far too predicable at almost every turn.
BenSaylor wrote:Daft Punk did a pretty good score as well which was not nominated.
HGervais wrote:Because even though it was well mounted & performed Shutter Island really wasn't all that good? I mean it really didn't take long to figure out the movie's angle and the ending came as a zero shock. I'm pre-disposed to love almost anything Scorsese makes but the movie was far too predicable at almost every turn.
Andrew Forbes wrote:HGervais wrote:Because even though it was well mounted & performed Shutter Island really wasn't all that good? I mean it really didn't take long to figure out the movie's angle and the ending came as a zero shock. I'm pre-disposed to love almost anything Scorsese makes but the movie was far too predicable at almost every turn.
Yeah, I guess if plot is all you're interested in, rather than a meditation on guilt and the devastating implications of violence. Watching it again after my initial, somewhat disappointing first viewing, I began to appreciate the sadness that pervades the film and the way the behavior of the players turns subtly from strained indulgence to irritation to resigned pity. Even with the Big Twist approach to the narrative, it's an impressive character piece.
cdouglas wrote:Andrew Forbes wrote:HGervais wrote:Because even though it was well mounted & performed Shutter Island really wasn't all that good? I mean it really didn't take long to figure out the movie's angle and the ending came as a zero shock. I'm pre-disposed to love almost anything Scorsese makes but the movie was far too predicable at almost every turn.
Yeah, I guess if plot is all you're interested in, rather than a meditation on guilt and the devastating implications of violence. Watching it again after my initial, somewhat disappointing first viewing, I began to appreciate the sadness that pervades the film and the way the behavior of the players turns subtly from strained indulgence to irritation to resigned pity. Even with the Big Twist approach to the narrative, it's an impressive character piece.
Indeed. I think it's one of the year's most misunderstood films, as many I've talked to seem to be approaching it as a gimmicky, Shyamalan-style thriller. It's very much about the journey rather than the destination (though the film's final scene is nothing short of heartbreaking). I appreciated the way Scorsese undersells the Big Twist, gently leading us into the inevitable rather than offering a overheated reveal which says, "AHA! Didn't see that coming, did you?"
Bryan Pope wrote:cdouglas wrote:Andrew Forbes wrote:HGervais wrote:Because even though it was well mounted & performed Shutter Island really wasn't all that good? I mean it really didn't take long to figure out the movie's angle and the ending came as a zero shock. I'm pre-disposed to love almost anything Scorsese makes but the movie was far too predicable at almost every turn.
Yeah, I guess if plot is all you're interested in, rather than a meditation on guilt and the devastating implications of violence. Watching it again after my initial, somewhat disappointing first viewing, I began to appreciate the sadness that pervades the film and the way the behavior of the players turns subtly from strained indulgence to irritation to resigned pity. Even with the Big Twist approach to the narrative, it's an impressive character piece.
Indeed. I think it's one of the year's most misunderstood films, as many I've talked to seem to be approaching it as a gimmicky, Shyamalan-style thriller. It's very much about the journey rather than the destination (though the film's final scene is nothing short of heartbreaking). I appreciated the way Scorsese undersells the Big Twist, gently leading us into the inevitable rather than offering a overheated reveal which says, "AHA! Didn't see that coming, did you?"
Well said, Clark and Andrew. I'd go so far as to say this movie was as misunderstood in its own way as Scott Pilgrim Vs. the World.
Observer wrote: I thought Scorsese was counting on the audience figuring out the twist early on, and the whole movie kind of plays out, as cdouglas says, more about the journey than the destination. And because we know more about the journey than Leo does, it somehow makes everything more heartbreaking.
HGervais wrote:I don't know...I guess i just felt like Shutter Island & Inception both covered very similiar thematic ground and it was the latter that kept me interested & engaged. As I've noted several times, Shutter Island is a beautifully made film with really good to great performances but I found the film to be cold and painfully obvious. It's a good movie but it would have been a great movie with a better screenplay.
Dan Mancini wrote:HGervais wrote:I don't know...I guess i just felt like Shutter Island & Inception both covered very similiar thematic ground and it was the latter that kept me interested & engaged. As I've noted several times, Shutter Island is a beautifully made film with really good to great performances but I found the film to be cold and painfully obvious. It's a good movie but it would have been a great movie with a better screenplay.
I tend to agree. The clunky plot execution got in the way of my emotional involvement in the story. I couldn't get past it. Honestly, when the movie slipped into the flashback-to-earlier-scenes-whose-meanings-are-reframed-because-now-we-know-the-truth cliche, I couldn't believe I was watching a Scorsese flick (or a picture edited by Thelma Schoonmaker, for that matter).
Andrew Forbes wrote:Dan Mancini wrote:HGervais wrote:I don't know...I guess i just felt like Shutter Island & Inception both covered very similiar thematic ground and it was the latter that kept me interested & engaged. As I've noted several times, Shutter Island is a beautifully made film with really good to great performances but I found the film to be cold and painfully obvious. It's a good movie but it would have been a great movie with a better screenplay.
I tend to agree. The clunky plot execution got in the way of my emotional involvement in the story. I couldn't get past it. Honestly, when the movie slipped into the flashback-to-earlier-scenes-whose-meanings-are-reframed-because-now-we-know-the-truth cliche, I couldn't believe I was watching a Scorsese flick (or a picture edited by Thelma Schoonmaker, for that matter).
If the movie wasn't so overcooked in Gothic atmosphere and film-noir style, I would probably be with you. I think Scorsese was perfectly aware of how clunky those devices were and was playing with the hoarier elements of the film as a nod to melodramatic favorites of the past--in a way, it's Scorsese's Grindhouse. I think the film is divisive because it relies on one's willingness or ability to steep in the operatic without losing touch with the sincere humanity at its core. It's a movie that is playing in two simultaneous registers: heightened emotion and genuine tragedy. I can respect one's inability to connect with the movie, but I think it is largely misunderstood.
BenSaylor wrote: Also, how does Tron: Legacy walk away with only 1 nomination (for sound editing)? It's not a great movie but I think it deserved a best visual effects nomination, especially when you consider some of the films that were nominated for that category. (I'm looking at you Hereafter.)
Andrew Forbes wrote:If the movie wasn't so overcooked in Gothic atmosphere and film-noir style, I would probably be with you. I think Scorsese was perfectly aware of how clunky those devices were and was playing with the hoarier elements of the film as a nod to melodramatic favorites of the past--in a way, it's Scorsese's Grindhouse.
Dan Mancini wrote:Andrew Forbes wrote:If the movie wasn't so overcooked in Gothic atmosphere and film-noir style, I would probably be with you. I think Scorsese was perfectly aware of how clunky those devices were and was playing with the hoarier elements of the film as a nod to melodramatic favorites of the past--in a way, it's Scorsese's Grindhouse.
In Shutter Island, Scorsese is either unusually ham-handed or he stupidly chose to play a little wink-nudge with the audience (I tend to think the former). Either way, if a movie is supposed to immerse me in the main character's emotional experience, I don't really want to be beaten over the head with a self-aware playing of genre conventions, or knowing nods to the Hollywood of yesteryear. Shutter Island feels like it's at war with itself.
cdouglas wrote:Dan Mancini wrote:Andrew Forbes wrote:If the movie wasn't so overcooked in Gothic atmosphere and film-noir style, I would probably be with you. I think Scorsese was perfectly aware of how clunky those devices were and was playing with the hoarier elements of the film as a nod to melodramatic favorites of the past--in a way, it's Scorsese's Grindhouse.
In Shutter Island, Scorsese is either unusually ham-handed or he stupidly chose to play a little wink-nudge with the audience (I tend to think the former). Either way, if a movie is supposed to immerse me in the main character's emotional experience, I don't really want to be beaten over the head with a self-aware playing of genre conventions, or knowing nods to the Hollywood of yesteryear. Shutter Island feels like it's at war with itself.
I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that the references to the film's of yesteryear were part of the character's emotional experience. Essentially, the character has created a movie in his mind (and he is the star, naturally). Contrast how plain and unmysterious things look once the character learns the truth (plus the frank realism of the final-act flashback) with the stylish, atmospheric visuals leading up to that moment.
Dan Mancini wrote:I don't think it's a horrible movie, just stubbornly mediocre -- like everything he's made since Bringing Out the Dead.
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