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by **Jim_Thomas** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:28 am

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Blu-Ray-Adds-Darth-Vader-Screaming-Nooo-As-He-Kills-The-Emperor-26504.html

in the new version of Return of the Jedi Darth Vader screams "Noooooo" as he picks up the Emperor and kills him.

by **Andrew Forbes** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:47 am

Yeah, it sucks, but I've given up thinking about it. Dude's never going to change, and he'll stipulate in his will that the original versions, if they remain, may not be distributed. And his wishes will be honored. And the world will continue turning.

by **Eric Profancik** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 7:48 am

Nooooooooooooo!

by **Steve T Power** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:41 am

Saw the clip - as usual, a whole lot of noise over nothing.

by **Dave Ryan** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:08 am

I'm amused that a 5 second sound change can not only "ruin" a 2-hour-long piece of visual storytelling, but "ruin" someone's "childhood".

Get a f---ing life, people.

by **mkiker2089** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:18 am

It just basically comes down to one thing, George Lucas is surrounded by yes men and is losing his grip on reality. The same thing happened to Howard Hughes before his yes men had him killed off.

by **Steve T Power** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:21 am

mkiker2089 wrote:It just basically comes down to one thing, George Lucas is surrounded by yes men and is losing his grip on reality. The same thing happened to Howard Hughes before his yes men had him killed off.

don't forget the tissue boxes on his feet.

by **Jim_Thomas** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:59 am

Dave Ryan wrote:I'm amused that a 5 second sound change can not only "ruin" a 2-hour-long piece of visual storytelling, but "ruin" someone's "childhood".

Get a f---ing life, people.

Philistine. You probably don't even care that Han shot first.

by **Steve T Power** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:11 am

Jim_Thomas wrote:
Dave Ryan wrote:I'm amused that a 5 second sound change can not only "ruin" a 2-hour-long piece of visual storytelling, but "ruin" someone's "childhood".

Get a f---ing life, people.
Philistine. You probably don't even care that Han shot first.

Lucas does:

by **stypee** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:59 am

I don't understand... why should we care?

by **Steve T Power** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:31 pm

stypee wrote:I don't understand... why should we care?

Because it's Star Wars. Any many millions of people LOVE Star Wars (I'm one of em)

Unfortunately, some people love it too much.

by **Dan Mancini** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:50 pm

Dave Ryan wrote:I'm amused that a 5 second sound change can not only "ruin" a 2-hour-long piece of visual storytelling, but "ruin" someone's "childhood".

Get a f---ing life, people.

I'm amused that nerds everywhere are livid over a 5-second sound change to an already altered version of RotJ that said nerds already purport to despise. If they believe that Lucas raped their childhood by removing the Yub-yub song 14 years ago, then buying this Blu-ray set means they and their childhoods are askin' for it.

by **Steve T Power** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:26 pm

Dan Mancini wrote:
Dave Ryan wrote:I'm amused that a 5 second sound change can not only "ruin" a 2-hour-long piece of visual storytelling, but "ruin" someone's "childhood".

Get a f---ing life, people.

I'm amused that nerds everywhere are livid over a 5-second sound change to an already altered version of RotJ that said nerds already purport to despise. If they believe that Lucas raped their childhood by removing the Yub-yub song 14 years ago, then buying this Blu-ray set means they and their childhoods are askin' for it.

Lucas removed the Yub Yub song!!??? That cherished piece of my childhood is gone!!???

Lucas, you sir... are a monster.

Seriously though. If he would just offer the original versions, all of this indigestion could be avoided.
Not that I really care... much.

by **cdouglas** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:27 pm

I think we need to set some parameters for what constitutes "childhood rape," too. Did George Lucas really rape your childhood, or did he just run his fingers through your childhood's hair in a creepy and inappropriate manner?

by **Steve T Power** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:40 pm

cdouglas wrote:I think we need to set some parameters for what constitutes "childhood rape," too. Did George Lucas really rape your childhood, or did he just run his fingers through your childhood's hair in a creepy and inappropriate manner?

Or did he just look at you longingly for an uncomfortable period of time.

by **Dan Mancini** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:48 pm

Steve T Power wrote:Seriously though. If he would just offer the original versions, all of this indigestion could be avoided.
Not that I really care... much.

I'd love to have the originals...even just in standard def (provided the transfers are anamorphic). And Lucas would make a crapload of dough if he released them...which is why, given the frequency with which he's accused of being motivated solely by greed, I find it so amusing that he keeps taking a pass on the cash in order to extend his middle finger to nerdom.

Anyway, I'd like to have them just for nostalgia's sake, and also for the surreal joy of seeing my 6-year-old scoff at them for how rickety they'd inevitably look when compared to the SEs.

In related news, blinking Ewoks or not, the Blu-rays will be mine.

by **Steve T Power** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:55 pm

Dan Mancini wrote:
Steve T Power wrote:Seriously though. If he would just offer the original versions, all of this indigestion could be avoided.
Not that I really care... much.

I'd love to have the originals...even just in standard def (provided the transfers are anamorphic). And Lucas would make a crapload of dough if he released them...which is why, given the frequency with which he's accused of being motivated solely by greed, I find it so amusing that he keeps taking a pass on the cash in order to extend his middle finger to nerdom.

Anyway, I'd like to have them just for nostalgia's sake, and also for the surreal joy of seeing my 6-year-old scoff at them for how rickety they'd inevitably look when compared to the SEs.

In related news, blinking Ewoks or not, the Blu-rays will be mine.

I hear the packaging is just like the Alien Anthology and Avatar 3-disc set... so... yep.

by **the5thghostbuster** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:16 pm

I'm not a massive Star Wars fan, but as someone with a love of cinema history, the lack of the OT in a decent release ticks me off. Star Wars when it was released was a massive achievement, on a technical level if nothing else, but that achievement cannot be seen in the releases that have come to DVD and Blu Ray, where we keep getting some new release that either replaces or enhances the work done in 1977.

For current fans, that's fine (sort of) because if you really want to see the originals, there are the laser disc releases, or the VHS versions. but the further the technology of home video moves on, the more and more limited the opportunity to see a good quality version of the films as originally released is going to become harder and harder, and that's a shame.

by **hoytereden** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:25 pm

Well, I've lived this long with alterations to the films and I've still got the OT on laserdisc so I guess I'll still be breathing after I get the Blu-ray release. Comes out about a week before my bday so I'll get back to you on the effects to my (second) childhood.

by **Dunnyman** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:58 pm

The OT was out on DVD, I bought it, I'm fine, high def would be nice, but I'll survive.
And Yub Yub freaking rocks.

by **mavrach** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:44 pm

This isn't another nail in the coffin or anything. It's just further evidence of Lucas' need to continually tweak his movies into what he feels would be a perfect series. He's going to keep adding odd little things with each release because he thinks he's perfecting it all.

And I think 5thGhostbuster just nailed it with the original's place in film history and how advance it was, and what it did for filmmaking. If Lucas isn't proud of that then there isn't anything that can be done for him.

by **HGervais** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:41 pm

mkiker2089 wrote:It just basically comes down to one thing, George Lucas is surrounded by yes men and is losing his grip on reality. The same thing happened to Howard Hughes before his yes men had him killed off.

Yeah. Exactly the same thing.

by **Chris_Sax** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:51 am

Dave Ryan wrote:I'm amused that a 5 second sound change can not only "ruin" a 2-hour-long piece of visual storytelling, but "ruin" someone's "childhood".

Get a f---ing life, people.

Look, all I did when I saw this clip was laugh and then go back re-enacting Leaving Las Vegas in my apartment with pizza and chipwhiches instead of booze (also, there is some booze). I don't feel raped by this, so why don't we leave aside the question of whether or not I need to get a f'in life, man, and you and Dan can give an honest answer to this question- is this NOOOOOOOOOO stupid? Are most of the changes George has made to the originals stupid? Do they make the films better or worse? It seems to me that you guys are dodging these central questions by trying to center the discussion around stuff no one really complains too much about (new special effects shots) or whether or not you guys are merely huge friggin nerds or powernerds, assuring yourselves that you are merely huge friggin nerds, and then laughing at the powernerds and ignoring the fact that Lucas has a creepy bullfrog-neck and sucks, the new trilogy sucked, most of the editions to the old trilogy suck, Jets suck, Giants suck, Krypton sucks.

Why don't you get off your high horse and come join the rest of us in the muck and the mire?

by **Jim_Thomas** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:04 am

Oh, now this is interesting. In 1988, before Congress, George Lucas denounced...George Lucas.

http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-speaks-altering-films-1988/

People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society. The preservation of our cultural heritage may not seem to be as politically sensitive an issue as “when life begins” or “when it should be appropriately terminated,” but it is important because it goes to the heart of what sets mankind apart. Creative expression is at the core of our humanness. Art is a distinctly human endeavor. We must have respect for it if we are to have any respect for the human race.

These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,” or alter dialogue and change the movement of the actor’s lips to match. It will soon be possible to create a new “original” negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control. In order to reconstruct old negatives, many archivists have had to go to Eastern bloc countries where American films have been better preserved.

In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.

There is nothing to stop American films, records, books, and paintings from being sold to a foreign entity or egotistical gangsters and having them change our cultural heritage to suit their personal taste.

I accuse the companies and groups, who say that American law is sufficient, of misleading the Congress and the People for their own economic self-interest.

I accuse the corporations, who oppose the moral rights of the artist, of being dishonest and insensitive to American cultural heritage and of being interested only in their quarterly bottom line, and not in the long-term interest of the Nation.

The public’s interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests. And the proof of that is that even a copyright law only permits the creators and their estate a limited amount of time to enjoy the economic fruits of that work.

by **Steve T Power** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:51 am

I think it's all a big gag. Lucas just having a gas. He hates nerds, he probably hates Star Wars. He leaked two little 10 second clips and then sat there giggling his ass off when the Interwebz imploded. If there had only been a blip, they'd be dismissed as a hoax, if there were a deluge, they would be left in. All to get the "Big Bang Theory" crowd bitching and moaning. It's really kinda funny when you think about it.

by **HGervais** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:03 am

I guess the question I have is, how many of the Star Wars fans who bitch & moan about every change Lucas makes is still there with a freshly minted copy of whatever upgrade in his/her hand on release day?

by **Andrew Forbes** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:11 am

HGervais wrote:I guess the question I have is, how many of the Star Wars fans who bitch & moan about every change Lucas makes is still there with a freshly minted copy of whatever upgrade in his/her hand on release day?

Ding ding ding.

by **Andrew Forbes** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:24 am

Here.

by **Chris_Sax** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:13 pm

Steve T Power wrote:I think it's all a big gag. Lucas just having a gas. He hates nerds, he probably hates Star Wars. He leaked two little 10 second clips and then sat there giggling his ass off when the Interwebz imploded. If there had only been a blip, they'd be dismissed as a hoax, if there were a deluge, they would be left in. All to get the "Big Bang Theory" crowd bitching and moaning. It's really kinda funny when you think about it.

Yeah, your theory sounds totally plausible.

by **Steve T Power** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:27 pm

Chris_Sax wrote:
Steve T Power wrote:I think it's all a big gag. Lucas just having a gas. He hates nerds, he probably hates Star Wars. He leaked two little 10 second clips and then sat there giggling his ass off when the Interwebz imploded. If there had only been a blip, they'd be dismissed as a hoax, if there were a deluge, they would be left in. All to get the "Big Bang Theory" crowd bitching and moaning. It's really kinda funny when you think about it.

Yeah, your theory sounds totally plausible.

It's a conspiracy I tell ya!

by **Kenneth Morgan** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 2:49 pm

I'm not getting all hysterical about this. I just don't understand the reason for making these latest changes. It's not a case of "I didn't have the budget for it the first time" or "I didn't have the technology the first time". I don't get it.

Seems to me he should just say, "They're done," put both the original and final versions out in the best condition possible, and move on. Or just flat out remake the OT from square one.

by **HGervais** » Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:38 pm

You nailed it on the end. It's a discussion we have had on this board several times over the years. I respect the right of George Lucas to make whatever changes he wants to his Star Wars movies. He made them, he owns them but, they belong to the fans. It's the fans that made them the success that they were and it is the one key element Lucas seems either tone deaf to or simply not giving a shit about. Release the movies in whatever new form takes Lucas' fancy but offer the original version in the best possible condition for the fans that have supported him & his empire for 30+ years. Those versions may not exist to Lucas anymore but they do to millions of Star Wars fans. Continuing with that it is incumbent on those enraged Star Wars fans to just say no. Every Star Wars fan that refuses to purchase the blu-ray set should also stop buying anything that has the Star Wars label or LucasFilm trademark on it. And let LucasFilm know exactly why they have lost that income. These people are going to keep getting "raped" as long as they keep letting the rapist into their home every time he knocks at their door.

Kenneth Morgan wrote:I'm not getting all hysterical about this. I just don't understand the reason for making these latest changes. It's not a case of "I didn't have the budget for it the first time" or "I didn't have the technology the first time". I don't get it.

Seems to me he should just say, "They're done," put both the original and final versions out in the best condition possible, and move on. Or just flat out remake the OT from square one.

by **stypee** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:58 am

I'm personally looking forward to the Special LIMITED Edition Star Wars Toilet Paper, each sheet a depiction of the newly added scenes from the Special Editions..Including scenes EXCLUSIVE to the new Blu-Ray box sets! I'm quite anxious to see the new scene where Darth Vader puts on a dress, speaks in a lady voice and walks around the death star carrying a tray of cookies delivering them to each and every storm trooper..

and than of course there's the sheet where Guido shoots either first or second, I don't recall or frankly care...

Get ready for an even fresher clean with Special Limited Edition Star Wars Toilet Paper by the fine people at Charmin, the people who really know a thing or two about toilet paper!

by **Attrage** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:28 pm

I don’t get it, do the new blu rays NOT contain the original unaltered 1977, 1980 and 1983 movies?? I have special edition DVDs of all three OT movies and they contain both the originals and the “revamped” CGI ones he re-released. Personally I prefer the unaltered ones. They were the ones I saw as a kid.

by **mavrach** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 9:53 pm

Attrage wrote:I don’t get it, do the new blu rays NOT contain the original unaltered 1977, 1980 and 1983 movies?? I have special edition DVDs of all three OT movies and they contain both the originals and the “revamped” CGI ones he re-released. Personally I prefer the unaltered ones. They were the ones I saw as a kid.

The unaltered versions in that release were non-animorphic.

by **mavrach** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:05 pm

I guess my problem with this subject is that if you say anything opposed to Lucas at this point, you're branded a loser who's apparently dedicated his life to all things Star Wars, and acts like the changes are so horrible and should just get a life. Yes there certainly are a lot of those types, but we can discuss Star Wars objectively too.

I just think it's damn bizarre to see a director continually tweak his work in some effort to perfect it. Why anybody would want to do this is beyond me. And when is he going to start tweaking the prequels??

And is there anybody out there who actually is in favor of any of these changes in any release? There's nobody demanding any of this that I can see.

by **Attrage** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:41 pm

I remember reading something when they were re-released theatrically that Lucas’ reasoning behind the CGI “enhancements” was that modern technology was allowing him to make the films better reflect his original vision.

While I can understand this in principle, I can’t help but find it a little pretentious as well. I was of a similar mind when James Cameron was quoted as saying that he waited 10 years or whatever to make Avatar because technology was not advanced enough to “realise his vision”. In Lucas’ defence, at least back in 1977 he went ahead and made the movie using the technology available to him at the time. The thought that any artist believes the world needs to catch up to their “vision” needs a bit of a reality check, I think. Even in this whizz bang day and age, I still believe story is the foundation. If you can achieve both, fine, but technology should always come second to telling a great freakin story!

by **mavrach** » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:07 pm

Attrage wrote:I remember reading something when they were re-released theatrically that Lucas’ reasoning behind the CGI “enhancements” was that modern technology was allowing him to make the films better reflect his original vision.

While I can understand this in principle, I can’t help but find it a little pretentious as well. I was of a similar mind when James Cameron was quoted as saying that he waited 10 years or whatever to make Avatar because technology was not advanced enough to “realise his vision”. In Lucas’ defence, at least back in 1977 he went ahead and made the movie using the technology available to him at the time. The thought that any artist believes the world needs to catch up to their “vision” needs a bit of a reality check, I think. Even in this whizz bang day and age, I still believe story is the foundation. If you can achieve both, fine, but technology should always come second to telling a great freakin story!

Yeah that was Lucas' original statement. Always wondered why he didn't redo the 1997 CGI with better CGI. But that's crap because technology didn't prevent Greedo from shooting first, Luke screaming while falling, etc. But you're right about story coming first and that's what Lucas has lost. He's of the mindset that more effects shots makes for a better movie.

by **Andrew Forbes** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:51 am

mavrach wrote:There's nobody demanding any of this that I can see.

Sadly, there is a large portion of the paying public that does prefer the flashier effects and couldn't care less about alterations to the characters.

by **Steve T Power** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:33 am

mavrach wrote:
Attrage wrote:I remember reading something when they were re-released theatrically that Lucas’ reasoning behind the CGI “enhancements” was that modern technology was allowing him to make the films better reflect his original vision.

While I can understand this in principle, I can’t help but find it a little pretentious as well. I was of a similar mind when James Cameron was quoted as saying that he waited 10 years or whatever to make Avatar because technology was not advanced enough to “realise his vision”. In Lucas’ defence, at least back in 1977 he went ahead and made the movie using the technology available to him at the time. The thought that any artist believes the world needs to catch up to their “vision” needs a bit of a reality check, I think. Even in this whizz bang day and age, I still believe story is the foundation. If you can achieve both, fine, but technology should always come second to telling a great freakin story!

Yeah that was Lucas' original statement. Always wondered why he didn't redo the 1997 CGI with better CGI. But that's crap because technology didn't prevent Greedo from shooting first, Luke screaming while falling, etc. But you're right about story coming first and that's what Lucas has lost. He's of the mindset that more effects shots makes for a better movie.

I may as well start taking this conversation seriously. I honestly believe Lucas had the best of intentions back in 1997. I buy into his justification for Greedo shooting first (Han's character being too bloodthirsty, making for a less convincing face turn in the final act.) And I understand why the CG enhancements were made for better (Cloud City) or for worse (Entrance to Mos Eisley). Lucas wanted to build a universe here, not having a clue what he was doing with Star Wars, risking personal ruin with Empire, and limited by the technology of the day on Jedi. All of this CG ancillary material only furthers the depth and enhances the illusion of a living, breathing universe. So thumbs up to the 1997 Special Editions. bravo, kudos, and all that.

Then came the prequels. With these, I think Lucas initially approached them as stand alone flicks, something different and separate from the original trilogy (remember the old "three disparate trilogies" stories from the '80s?) Somewhere along the line, he decided he needed to tie both together more firmly, and rather than two distinct "sagas", we would be looking at one 6 film sci-fi opus. Thus the tinkering begins. Most of the changes made since the DVD release were in step with tying the prequel trilogy more closely to the original trilogy, I think, in the hopes that the casual audience, and even the hard core supporters would cease to distinguish between the two.

For the most part, I'm cool with it, inherently these films remain the same films, on a fundamental level it's still a tale of a boy, a girl, and a universe, and it's still a rousing action-adventure space opera full of characters I fell in love with as a child. One change, however, and one alone, still kills me... the addition of Hayden Christiansen in the Jedi celebration scene. It just doesn't make a lick of sense, and feels more like cross marketing with the prequels (giving fans their first taste of a grown up Anakin) rather than a legitimate, well thought out plan.

Getting bent out of shape over what sort of noise Obi-Wan makes when he scares off Sand People? Really now?

Now the prequels? ohhhh the prequels...

by **mavrach** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:27 am

Andrew Forbes wrote:
mavrach wrote:There's nobody demanding any of this that I can see.

Sadly, there is a large portion of the paying public that does prefer the flashier effects and couldn't care less about alterations to the characters.

I know that unfortunately, practical effects & stuntwork is going out the window in lieu of cartoon action. But I meant is anybody asking Lucas to update his effects in his older movies?

by **mavrach** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:32 am

Steve T Power wrote:Getting bent out of shape over what sort of noise Obi-Wan makes when he scares off Sand People? Really now?

I agree that's not worth getting upset about, but isn't this the second time that Lucas has "perfected" that particular sound? Just odd that he keeps getting so dissatisfied with it. I wonder if Lucas spends his time repeatedly rewatching the original trilogy in effort to nitpick flaws.

by **Steve T Power** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:59 am

In a perfect world - the Blu-Ray release would include three versions:

Original Theatrical Version
1997 Special Editions
2011 Blu-Ray essential whatever the hell edition

by **Chris_Sax** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:39 am

mavrach wrote:I guess my problem with this subject is that if you say anything opposed to Lucas at this point, you're branded a loser who's apparently dedicated his life to all things Star Wars, and acts like the changes are so horrible and should just get a life. Yes there certainly are a lot of those types, but we can discuss Star Wars objectively too.

I just think it's damn bizarre to see a director continually tweak his work in some effort to perfect it. Why anybody would want to do this is beyond me. And when is he going to start tweaking the prequels??

And is there anybody out there who actually is in favor of any of these changes in any release? There's nobody demanding any of this that I can see.

Get a life, nerd!

by **Dunnyman** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:44 pm

mavrach wrote:And when is he going to start tweaking the prequels??

The removal of Jar Jar and replacing Hayden Christiansen with an actor who can, well, act, would be a good start. At least Lucas has shown that one can seamlessly make these changes. Time to bring the idea full circle because the prequels were freakin' horrible.

by **Dan Mancini** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 5:26 pm

Chris_Sax wrote:I don't feel raped by this, so why don't we leave aside the question of whether or not I need to get a f'in life, man, and you and Dan can give an honest answer to this question- is this NOOOOOOOOOO stupid?

Yes.

Chris_Sax wrote:Are most of the changes George has made to the originals stupid?

I've never quantified it. Some of the changes are stupid (Han stepping on Jabba's tail), and some are major improvements (removal of the Ewok song).

Chris_Sax wrote:Do they make the films better or worse?

Neither.

by **Dunnyman** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:02 pm

Dan Mancini wrote:and some are major improvements (removal of the Ewok song).

Oh, come ON, Dan, Yub Yub is...such an integral part of the series, I mean, a gigantic, evil, multiple system spanning empire is overthrown here, of course it would be celebrated with a group of halfwit forrest dwelling critters that look like Muppets on acid with a song that inspired some of Barney's fine tunes for children later on! WHY would they substitute it later for something that might sound like, oh, I dunno, a former anthem of the Rebellion or a protest song against the Empire?
Yub Yub. Right up there with fricken' Stairway To Heaven.

by **Attrage** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:19 pm

mavrach wrote:
Andrew Forbes wrote:
mavrach wrote:There's nobody demanding any of this that I can see.

Sadly, there is a large portion of the paying public that does prefer the flashier effects and couldn't care less about alterations to the characters.

I know that unfortunately, practical effects & stuntwork is going out the window in lieu of cartoon action. But I meant is anybody asking Lucas to update his effects in his older movies?

I know I am. Personally I’d like to see him team up with the Fast and Furious special FX team for a much needed revamping of American Graffiti.

by **Attrage** » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:30 pm

There is also the possibility that George Lucas keeps tweaking the originals because he is genuinely out of ideas. I mean, besides Star Wars what has he really done? Put aside the fact he is a freakin squillionaire, any artist’s toughest critic is himself. Maybe leave off the “raped my childhood” thing and give him the benefit of the doubt. My childhood will remain quite unharmed despite anything George Lucas does or doesn’t do, he could go and remake the entire series using stop motion and Ken and Barbie dolls and I’d still just give a slight chuckle and then pop the 1977 unaltered Star Wars movie into my DVD player.

Maybe I’m just in a good mood today or something…but I don’t actually believe Lucas is thumbing his nose or pointing his middle finger at anyone. The guy is still a big kid at heart who likes toys and gadgets and took a freakin gigantic gamble in 1977 making a movie most people assured him would begin and end his movie making career but wound up being loved by millions of people for generations. Loved enough to cause such hugely divided opinions as these ones right here in this thread.

So…anyway I’ll jump down off my high horse but c’mon, let’s give the big lug a break

by **Dunnyman** » Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:55 am

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.js ... d=11904783
30.00 for the OT Blu PLUS an R2D2 USB drive?
Not a bad deal at all...if one is in a buying mood...

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