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WHAT FAVORITE SCI-FI/FANTASY BOOK WOULD BE A GOOD FILM?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:03 am    Post subject: WHAT FAVORITE SCI-FI/FANTASY BOOK WOULD BE A GOOD FILM? Reply with quote

Ever since FOTR came out I was excited about two fantasy books becoming movies.

The Magician Series by Fiest:

Magician Apprentice
Magician Master
Silverthorn
I forgot the 4th ones name

And the Legion of Videssos series by Turtledove.

Sadly I don't think these books have the fan base to warrant major film investment, if they do film them, they probably would be made on the cheap and suffer for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know how it would be done but I'd love to see a film version of Robert Silverberg's Dying Inside. The book just breaks my heart and is as good a book on growing older as I've ever read. Richard K. Morgan's excellent Altered Carbon would be another choice and I do think it has been optioned as a film property. On the fantasy end, I'd kill for a great film adaptation of King & Struab's The Talisman.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Julian May's The Many-Colored Land series (and offshoots), Anne Mccaffrey's Dragon books, George RR Martin's Game of Thrones or his Wild Card series.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with vj about Game of Thrones. Of course, that would require Georgie to actually finish it.

Somebody call Terry Gilliam and get him to do James Morrow's Towing Jehovah or Only Begotten Daughter.

And I think the book MovieAddict forgot is A Darkness at Sethanon (the one with the really cool cover art).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be curious to see what they could do with Clarke's "Rama" series.

How about Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" trilogy. Those are great books.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trying to steer away from novels in genres that are being over exploited.

Island in the Sea of Time by Stirling..granted i got bored by the 3rd book, but the 1st one i read 3 times.
or
Frankowski's The Cross-Time Engineer This might make up for the Timeline fiasco

Sarban's The Sound of His Horn
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Philip K Dick's Man In the High Castle..come on doncha wanna see this?

James Morrow's Towing Jehovah ...can't you just see the picket lines? Twisted Evil
Walter M. Miller's A Canticle for Liebowitz
Philp Wylie's The Disappearance
John Myers Myers' Silverlock
John Gardner's Grendel
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantasy- American Gods.
Sci-fi- Ender's Game, only make the kids teenagers, and cast me as that one kid who was fed up with the school and was all badass.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

REMINDS ME...
where the HELL is Good Omens?
what kind of development Hell is it in?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Gardner's Grendel! Awesome.

I vote for Elric of Melnibone.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fantasy- American Gods.
Sci-fi- Ender's Game, only make the kids teenagers, and cast me as that one kid who was fed up with the school and was all badass.

I'm pretty sure I've seen it somewhere online that Enders Game is being developed for a film adaptation.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat (especially The Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World) and Deathworld (especially Deathworld 2) series.

Asimov's The Caves of Steel and The Naked Sun.

Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant, Unbeliever series.

But most of all, can we a real, honest-to-Lester Dent Doc Savage, Man of Bronze sometime in my lifetime? Please?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think everyone involved with Good Omens pretty much gave up. Too bad. I was looking forward to the "Bohemian Rhapsody" gag.

Wasn't an animated version of Grendel released in the '80s?

Elric-go back in time twenty years and cast David Bowie.

Ender's Game-it has been in development for a while. Seems like maybe Card himself had written the screenplay. Some bonehead would probably accuse of them of ripping off The Last Starfighter.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raymond Fiest? Oh yeah, just about any of his books would be good, but I think they'd score some crossover and chick appeal if they told the story of Mara of the Acoma from the Empire series. Talk about epic scope.
(Edit) Check out Feist's Faerie Tale if you want to try his horror, very good.
I'd love to see Eddings' Belgariad series done before Sean Connery croaks as he'd be the PERFECT Belgarath, no one else could do it as well.
Harry Turtledove? I'd love to see Guns of the South or How Few Remain, but I don't think a movie glorifying the Confederates would sell too well.
And dare I say? Sword of Shannara!!!!!
And I'd love a big screen adaptation of anything on the Discworld. Damn the Brits for at least getting a cartoon version, you lucky dogs. If we're getting humorous, MYTH!!! Skeeve and Aahz!! It'd be a gigglefest!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Rankins wrote:
Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat (especially The Stainless Steel Rat Saves the World) ...........
Woo...oh baby...Slippery Jim diGriz! that would be soo cool... hmm now i am trying to think of who should PLAY him. Not too young, not too old....tough and funny.....these are off the top of my head: Ewan McGregor, Ethan Hawke, Joachim Phoenix, James Marsden ..nope nope..wait a minute., i got it!....James Marsters! okay now my fantasy is complete..scuse me must dash.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

molly1216 wrote:
REMINDS ME...
where the HELL is Good Omens?
what kind of development Hell is it in?


I was gonna say that one myself...

Unfortunately according to Pratchett it's DEAD
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in the hopes that Pixar will someday discover MISSION OF GRAVITY.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I would also like very much to see Terry Gilliam make his Gormenghast.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, I'd actually like to see one of McCaffrey's dragonrider books put together, now that dragons don't have to look utterly stupid. And I wouldn't mind seeing one of the better Lackey stories done, except every time a movie portrays telepathy it comes off looking and sounding stupid.

No comment on my taste in literature, thanks. Wink
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I'd like to see the first book of the Dragonlance "Chronicles" series - Dragons of Autumn Twighlight. As in retrospect that's really the most engaging of the three, and would really make a good movie or mini-series.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve T Power wrote:
molly1216 wrote:
REMINDS ME...
where the HELL is Good Omens?
what kind of development Hell is it in?

I was gonna say that one myself...
Unfortunately according to Pratchett it's DEAD

well...i'd rather it be dead than badly done....at least i can still recommend it to people as a good read.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zelazny's Lord of Light
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are we just listing our favorite sci-fi/fantasy books here, or ones that we really think would make good movies? I loved Good Omens, but it's an ensemble piece, and ensemble films are notoriously hard to make (and to market). It would take true genius to make a film out of it, so I'm not surprised it's languishing in development.

Some of might cry blasphemy, but I'm going to suggest Magic Kingdom for Sale by Terry Brooks. A lawyer "buys" a Tolkien-esque kingdom, and takes a modern-day approach to running it. It's pretty tongue in cheek, but not flat-out comedy like Pratchett, and dispite the fact that it's a brainy hero, there is some sword-swingin' to keep the LOTR fans happy. I'm thinking Robert Zemekis could direct.

Gibson might have invented cyberpunk, but Neal Stephensen ran with it in Snow Crash. What's not to love about a motorcycle riding, samurai sword weilding, computer hacking hero kicking butt and rooting out conspiracy in an oddball future setting? The high seas climax would be something to behold on the big screen. Just think what somebody like Tarantino could do with this material.

And then there's The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester, featuring a bald, revenge-driven anti-hero whose facial tiger-stripe tattoos only appear when he's angry. In one scene, he breaks out of jail armed with only a sledge hammer. (That Riddick guy only wishes he was this tough.) Oh, and did I mention the story takes place in a future where all humans have the natural ability to teleport? Not sure what director could take this one on. Robert Rodriguez, maybe?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skyle wrote:
Are we just listing our favorite sci-fi/fantasy books here, or ones that we really think would make good movies? I loved Good Omens, but it's an ensemble piece, and ensemble films are notoriously hard to make (and to market). It would take true genius to make a film out of it, so I'm not surprised it's languishing in development.

Nope, I didn't list some of my very favorite stuff as Tom Holt's books aren't even sold in the US because most Americans are too stupid to understand the allusions to classic literature. Ask your typical 20-something American about St. George & The Dragon or the Legend of the Flying Dutchman or the Ring of the Neiblung and you'll get a look of sheer confusion. )Speaking of which, my import DVD of Ring of the Neiblung arrived today. 34.95 for a blind buy, I hope it's good.) Tragic, because this guy writes some of the funniest stuff I've ever read, he's funnier than Pratchett or Adams to me, but unknown in the US due to the crappy schooling we routinely give our children here.
Having ranted, Good Omens needs a superb adaptation, a producer that understands the material, and a director who's a fan, and a studio with a large blank check. Until that all falls into place, it won't happen. Because I'd sure hate to see some crap lowbuck version of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric Profancik wrote:
How about Zahn's "Heir to the Empire" trilogy. Those are great books.


For that matter, so would Brian Daley's Han Solo books. That's where the character was really fleshed out and developed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope, I didn't list some of my very favorite stuff as Tom Holt's books aren't even sold in the US because most Americans are too stupid to understand the allusions to classic literature. Ask your typical 20-something American about St. George & The Dragon or the Legend of the Flying Dutchman or the Ring of the Neiblung and you'll get a look of sheer confusion. )


Wow. I mean, I'm sorry, but I think it's hardly fair to call someone stupid because they don't know about St. George and the Dragon or the Ring of Nibelung. I mean, I hardly consider such obscure stuff even CLOSE to somehow essential or noteworthy information, unless you're really into biblical study, or Wagner.

I don't even know what the legend of the flying dutchman is, unless it's about that time I accidentally tried PCP when I was 14. Really. Stupid? Please.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Sax wrote:
Dunnyman wrote:

Nope, I didn't list some of my very favorite stuff as Tom Holt's books aren't even sold in the US because most Americans are too stupid to understand the allusions to classic literature. Ask your typical 20-something American about St. George & The Dragon or the Legend of the Flying Dutchman or the Ring of the Neiblung and you'll get a look of sheer confusion. )
Wow. I mean, I'm sorry, but I think it's hardly fair to call someone stupid because they don't know about St. George and the Dragon or the Ring of Nibelung. .
Stop that, i wouldn't take what he said personally..but he is quite right ..the average american produced by our public school system is sad to say..pretty much an idiot. Tom Holt's work are literate and hysterical pastiches based around classical literature and folklore. i would recommend starting with Who's Afraid of Beowulf and then 'Expecting Someone Taller' they rock.
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I've never been a big sci-fi reader, but there's one I'd definitely love to see filmed: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein.
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Redwall!!! & there could be dozens of sequels..
It'd be kinda like the CGI Ninja Turtles they almost did...
Or maybe it could just be plain-'ol animated?
Or perhaps even just make a few story alterations, and make it with real people?
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Redwall!!! & there could be dozens of sequels..
It'd be kinda like the CGI Ninja Turtles they almost did...
Or maybe it could just be plain-'ol animated?
Or perhaps even just make a few story alterations, and make it with real people?
whatever..


It already [url=http://www.videoflicks.com/TITLES/9990/9990093.HTM?SHOW=1&TYPE=0&ASSN=V00001']is[/url] animated.
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Speaking of which, my import DVD of Ring of the Neiblung arrived today. 34.95 for a blind buy, I hope it's good.)


You spent $34.95 on a blind buy, and you call other people stupid? Laughing

Seriously, though, I've been interested in that one. Is that the made for German TV one that just came out recently? IIRC, Max Von Sydow is in it? Let me know if it's any good.
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Speaking of which, my import DVD of Ring of the Neiblung arrived today. 34.95 for a blind buy, I hope it's good.)


You spent $34.95 on a blind buy, and you call other people stupid? Laughing

Seriously, though, I've been interested in that one. Is that the made for German TV one that just came out recently? IIRC, Max Von Sydow is in it? Let me know if it's any good.

'Tis superb. Alicia Witt is most babe-ish, the acting is outstanding for the most part, some great fight scenes, Julian Sands as a sleazy villian, some very nice cinematography, and some pretty decent FX. Makes me wonder why we got Troy and Alexander while this stayed on German TV only. You can get it on Amazon's German site only I beleive. And yes, Max Von Sydow is in it, and he steals the show in parts.
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I'd like to see I, Robot made into a movie.

What?! Smile

Someone mentioned the Thomas Convenant books, and I believe I read on the net that it is being developed or negotiated or something.
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fantasy: Paul Gallico's The Man Who Was Magic (I can't believe it's out of print)
science fiction: David Brin's Startide Rising
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A PRINCESS OF MARS in huge-budget CGI laden black and white.
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There's a book by Peter David that's about King Arthur running for mayor of New York city in modern times... I can't remember the title, but I think it was Knight Life. Anyway, that'd make a good movie.
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I 2nd A Princess of Mars, but why (on a planet of red, green, black & blue races) confine it to B&W?
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And still no one mentioning Larry Niven's Ringworld? That would make a helluva movie.
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"I 2nd A Princess of Mars, but why (on a planet of red, green, black & blue races) confine it to B&W?"

I know it sounds a bit odd, but I'd want to replicate the style of illustration prevalent at the time of publication (and for some decades afterward). If I were making it myself, that is.


As far as Ringworld goes, it probably would make a neat movie. Except for the thousands who would think it was a ripoff of "Halo." What a world!
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Sorry to get stuck on Clive Barker (as in the "horror-novels-into-movies" thread) but Weaveworld or Imajica would make awesome movies.
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I'd love to see Burroughs's Mars books brought to life - as I recall, Tom Cruise was in negotiations to play John Carter in an adaptation of A Princess of Mars, but this was 3-4 years ago, at least.

As far as the Thomas Covenenant books go - I'm not sure. Yeah, they are a pretty decent read, but awfully derivative of other stuff like LOTR, etc. Of course, what in this genre isn't.
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Rumor has it Princess of Mars is being made by the same folks who made Sky Captain.

And wouldn't Imajica be too dense to turn into a movie? It's so huge, Barker himself had to re-release it as two books, Kill Bill-style. Perhaps it could work as a series of films or a TV mini-series (only, you know, a good one for once).
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I'd love to see Burroughs's Mars books brought to life - as I recall, Tom Cruise was in negotiations to play John Carter in an adaptation of A Princess of Mars, but this was 3-4 years ago, at least.

As far as the Thomas Covenenant books go - I'm not sure. Yeah, they are a pretty decent read, but awfully derivative of other stuff like LOTR, etc. Of course, what in this genre isn't.

You might not like this news but Harry Knowles is producing a big screen version of John Carter for Paramount with Kerry Cochran, the director of Sky Captain, helming the feature.
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I'd love to see Burroughs's Mars books brought to life - as I recall, Tom Cruise was in negotiations to play John Carter in an adaptation of A Princess of Mars, but this was 3-4 years ago, at least.

As far as the Thomas Covenenant books go - I'm not sure. Yeah, they are a pretty decent read, but awfully derivative of other stuff like LOTR, etc. Of course, what in this genre isn't.

You might not like this news but Harry Knowles is producing a big screen version of John Carter for Paramount with Kerry Cochran, the director of Sky Captain, helming the feature.

Crap. When did Harry get into that sort of thing? How is that even possible? Arrgh.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erick Harper wrote:
Harold Gervais wrote:
Erick Harper wrote:
I'd love to see Burroughs's Mars books brought to life - as I recall, Tom Cruise was in negotiations to play John Carter in an adaptation of A Princess of Mars, but this was 3-4 years ago, at least.

As far as the Thomas Covenenant books go - I'm not sure. Yeah, they are a pretty decent read, but awfully derivative of other stuff like LOTR, etc. Of course, what in this genre isn't.

You might not like this news but Harry Knowles is producing a big screen version of John Carter for Paramount with Kerry Cochran, the director of Sky Captain, helming the feature.

Crap. When did Harry get into that sort of thing? How is that even possible? Arrgh.

Whaaa? Since when does being a Comic Book Guy variety of fanboy translate into business ability and cinematic talent?

OTOH, this is going to inspire every tubby, 30-something Trek fan livng in his parent's basement.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And wouldn't Imajica be too dense to turn into a movie? It's so huge, Barker himself had to re-release it as two books, Kill Bill-style. Perhaps it could work as a series of films or a TV mini-series (only, you know, a good one for once).


Definitely, a mini-series, Sci-Fi Channel-style. There's no way it could be pared down to a 2-hour film without removing major chunks of the story.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert Rodriguez was set to do A Princess of Mars until he tore up his Director's Guild card during all that nonsense about Frank Miller's co-directing credit on Sin City.

Cochran's name came up back when Paramount was still high on Sky Captain.... Given its underwhelming performance, I wouldn't be surprised to see him given the boot.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cochran's name came up back when Paramount was still high on Sky Captain.... Given its underwhelming performance, I wouldn't be surprised to see him given the boot.

As I understand it, it is still Cochran in the center chair. I also think Paramount wasn't as unhappy as you say. The fact is in Hollywood terms, Sky Captain wasn't that expensive a movie to make and while box office could have been better, their executives were pretty pleased with the job he did. I thought Captain was good, if not great but he clearly showed a passion for the material and for the period. It's that kind of passion that will probably serve him well doing something like John Carter. I would not write this off yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harold Gervais wrote:
Mitchell Hattaway wrote:

Cochran's name came up back when Paramount was still high on Sky Captain.... Given its underwhelming performance, I wouldn't be surprised to see him given the boot.

As I understand it, it is still Cochran in the center chair. I also think Paramount wasn't as unhappy as you say. The fact is in Hollywood terms, Sky Captain wasn't that expensive a movie to make and while box office could have been better, their executives were pretty pleased with the job he did. I thought Captain was good, if not great but he clearly showed a passion for the material and for the period. It's that kind of passion that will probably serve him well doing something like John Carter. I would not write this off yet.


Plus, I'm predicting Sky Captain will perform really well on DVD. It has that "oh yeah, I wanted to see that"-factor that tends to oversell things like King Arthur, Troy and Napoleon Dynamite.

I know I'm gonna blind-buy it next week because it'll be cheap enough that I can't really give myself a credible arguement against buying it. Laughing
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